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Offline slasc

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Provocation by B or FS
« on: December 02, 2012, 11:36:58 AM »
1st and 10 on A-20. B57 is positionned 1 yard beyond the neutral zone. A12 quarterback starts his signals. All team A players are in position. B57 run toward the neutral zone and stunts in front of A68. This mouvement surprises A68 who gets up !

IMO this not a foul by B57, because he was not in a stationnary position and was not in the NZ... So FS by A68. Agree?

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Re: Provocation by B or FS
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2012, 11:41:27 AM »
This may be the last year you are right on this.  Seems to be a trend towards making B almost as restricted as A when it comes to presnap movement

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Re: Provocation by B or FS
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2012, 12:03:25 PM »
B57 is positionned 1 yard beyond the neutral zone.


The intent of the rule is to prevent B from deliberately causing a false start, while giving B a chance to still get a moving jump on the snap, if they can time it right. The rule uses the phrase "...within a yard..." which means, very technically, if he is exactly one yard or more, the rule doesn't apply to him. However, philosophically, you'd want to put the burden of compliance on the B player, so I'd probably consider this guy as being restricted by this rule. A solid 1 1/2 yards or more, then put the burden of compliance on Team A.

As TxMike points out, we already have adopted philosophy regarding B players charging toward the neutral zone, but in question as to whether or not the NZ was entered, and causing a reaction by the "adjacent" A linemen as being DOF - even though the rule language requires the B player to actually enter the NZ. So, if the rule doesn't change, you will probably see, at some point, philosophical direction to make the play you describe as a Team B DOF, if he makes an abrupt stop or some sort of abrupt movement ("stunt' as you describe it).

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Re: Provocation by B or FS
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2012, 12:17:53 PM »
I understand (and share with you) this philosophy. But I answered a test with that question and I disagreed with the answer proposed (DOG by B57). For this kind of quizz I always look at the rule, and only the rule.

I use the EFAF mechanics (europe) and the philosophy is "slightly" different :
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Offside
(e) Don’t call offside if the defensive player is moving forward at the snap but is not actually in the neutral zone.

Ok, "stunt" is not the good word... Need to improve my english...  ;)

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Re: Provocation by B or FS
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2012, 01:47:31 PM »
I use the EFAF mechanics (europe) and the philosophy is "slightly" different :

The philosophy you quote relates to offside at the snap, not to actions causing delay of game.