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Re: 1st Look at Rule Changes
« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2013, 06:24:42 PM »
 Think I'll spend all my study time on 8, 9, 10 and 12......these are huge and for the sake of the game we must be diligent in enforcing these crucial rules!  :)
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Re: 1st Look at Rule Changes
« Reply #26 on: February 17, 2013, 09:04:29 AM »
Joo vill keep zees guyz in za kurreckt jooneeform!!!

( I do get #9 though....get theses guys in single color uniforms and on a field of the same color (i.e. Boise State) and it is hard to find them

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Re: 1st Look at Rule Changes
« Reply #27 on: February 17, 2013, 04:29:40 PM »
Joo vill keep zees guyz in za kurreckt jooneeform!!!

( I do get #9 though....get theses guys in single color uniforms and on a field of the same color (i.e. Boise State) and it is hard to find them
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Re: 1st Look at Rule Changes
« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2013, 09:32:33 AM »
Speculating on the wording of the BBW rule

Think it will only be allowed if from the front and within the extended neutral zone?

So no more "restricted" and "unrestricted", maybe?  If so, I might be able to study NCAA blocking rules without feeling like my brain will explode...

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Re: 1st Look at Rule Changes
« Reply #29 on: February 19, 2013, 09:59:03 AM »
Yes, with respect to Team A, gone are references to BBW being "illegal except...", restricted and unrestricted, and adjacent sidelienes.  It's a complete 180 from previous changes.  Far from getting BBW out of the game, this change actually expands it compared to last year.

Looks like the service academies and the pure option teams are still in business! 

From proposed rule change doc:

Blocking Below The Waist (Rule 9-1-6)
Changes in bold:
1.  Team A prior to a change of possession:
Consider a zone seven yards on each side of the ball extending five yards beyond the neutral zone and back to Team A’s end line.
(a) Team A players who are on the line of scrimmage completely within this zone and backs who are stationary completely within the tackle box at the snap may legally block below the waist inside this zone until the ball has left the zone.

(b) Players not covered in a (above) while the ball is still in the zone, and all players after the ball has left the zone, are allowed to block below the waist if the force of the initial contact is from the front, but they may not block below the waist if the force of the initial contact is from the side or back.  “From the front” is understood to mean within the semi-circle forward of the player being blocked.

(c) Once the ball has left the zone a player may not block below the waist toward his own end line. 


2. Team B prior to a change of possession
(a) Other than in paragraphs b and c below, Team B players may block below the waist only within the area defined by lines parallel to the goal line five yards beyond and behind the neutral zone extended to the sidelines.  Blocking below the waist by players of Team B outside this area is illegal.

(b) Team B players may not block below the waist against an opponent who is in position to receive a backward pass.

(c)  Team B players may not block below the waist against an eligible Team A pass receiver beyond the neutral zone unless attempting to get to the ball or ball carrier.  This prohibition ends when a legal forward pass is no longer possible by rule.

3. Kicks
During a down in which there is a free kick or a scrimmage kick, blocking below the waist by any player is illegal except against the ball carrier.

4. Change of possession
After any change of possession, blocking below the waist by any player is illegal except against the ball carrier.
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Re: 1st Look at Rule Changes
« Reply #30 on: February 19, 2013, 10:26:56 AM »
Am I missing something here or does the "new rule" now make the WR crackback BBW legal as long as it's from the front (or more correctly stated within in the new "semicircle")?
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Re: 1st Look at Rule Changes
« Reply #31 on: February 19, 2013, 11:27:57 AM »
Yes, with respect to Team A, gone are references to BBW being "illegal except...", restricted and unrestricted, and adjacent sidelienes.  It's a complete 180 from previous changes.  Far from getting BBW out of the game, this change actually expands it compared to last year.

Do you have the proposed wording for the other changes?

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Re: 1st Look at Rule Changes
« Reply #32 on: February 19, 2013, 11:40:12 AM »
I just want to make sure I am understanding. Now you can block in any dierection you want (North, South, toward any sideline) as long as the contact on the person being blocked is in the front? And when the ball leaves the zone. NO ONE on the field can BBW?

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Re: 1st Look at Rule Changes
« Reply #33 on: February 19, 2013, 11:44:43 AM »
Ask and ye shall receive.  Not sure how to attach a doc, so here's the cut & paste:

NCAA FOOTBALL RULES COMMITTEE
2013 Proposed Rule Changes
These changes were approved by the Committee on February 13, 2013.  They do not become final until approved by the Playing Rules Oversight Panel (PROP), which meets in early March.

1.Targeting with Crown of Helmet (Rules 9-1-3)/Targeting to Head/Neck Area of a Defenseless player (Rule 9-1-4).
No change to the statements of the fouls. 
Changes to the penalty statements in bold:
PENALTY—15 yards.  For dead-ball fouls, 15 yards from the succeeding spot.  Automatic first down for fouls by Team B if not in conflict with other rules.  For fouls in the first half: Disqualification for the remainder of the game.  For fouls in the second half: Disqualification for the remainder of the game and the first half of the next game.  If the foul occurs in the second half of the last game of the season, players with remaining eligibility shall serve the suspension during the first game of the following season.  The disqualification is subject to review by Instant Replay.   

2.Blocking Below The Waist (Rule 9-1-6)
Changes in bold:
1.  Team A prior to a change of possession:
Consider a zone seven yards on each side of the ball extending five yards beyond the neutral zone and back to Team A’s end line.
(a) Team A players who are on the line of scrimmage completely within this zone and backs who are stationary completely within the tackle box at the snap may legally block below the waist inside this zone until the ball has left the zone.

(b) Players not covered in a (above) while the ball is still in the zone, and all players after the ball has left the zone, are allowed to block below the waist if the force of the initial contact is from the front, but they may not block below the waist if the force of the initial contact is from the side or back.  “From the front” is understood to mean within the semi-circle forward of the player being blocked.

(c) Once the ball has left the zone a player may not block below the waist toward his own end line.
 

2. Team B prior to a change of possession
(a) Other than in paragraphs b and c below, Team B players may block below the waist only within the area defined by lines parallel to the goal line five yards beyond and behind the neutral zone extended to the sidelines.  Blocking below the waist by players of Team B outside this area is illegal.

(b) Team B players may not block below the waist against an opponent who is in position to receive a backward pass.

(c)  Team B players may not block below the waist against an eligible Team A pass receiver beyond the neutral zone unless attempting to get to the ball or ball carrier.  This prohibition ends when a legal forward pass is no longer possible by rule.

3. Kicks
During a down in which there is a free kick or a scrimmage kick, blocking below the waist by any player is illegal except against the ball carrier.

4. Change of possession
After any change of possession, blocking below the waist by any player is illegal except against the ball carrier.
   

3.  10-second Runoff for Injury Timeout Late in the Half  (Rule 3-3-5-f) 
Add new paragraph f
f.  If the player injury is the only reason for stopping the clock with less than one minute in the half, the opponent has the option of a 10-second runoff.  The play clock will be set to 25 seconds.  If there is a 10-second runoff the game clock will start on the referee’s signal.  If there is no 10-second runoff the game clock will start on the snap.  The 10-second runoff may be avoided by a charged team timeout if available.  There is no option of a 10-second runoff if there are injuries to opposing players.
   

4.  Minimum Time for a Play After Spiking the Ball (Rule 3-2)
New Article 5 (Minimum Time)
Article 5
If the game clock is stopped with three or more seconds remaining in the quarter and will start on the referee’s signal, the offense may reasonably expect to throw the ball directly to the ground (Rule 7-3-2-e) and have enough time for another play.  With two seconds or one second on the game clock there is enough time for only one play.
   

5.  Assisting The Ball Carrier (Rule 9-3-2-b)
New language deletes the words “push” and “or charge into.”
b.  The ball carrier shall not grasp a teammate; and no other player of his team shall grasp, pull, push or lift or charge into him to assist him in forward progress.
   

6.  Expand Definition of Unsportsmanlike Conduct (Rule 9-2-1)
Add a new paragraph, 9-2-1-a-1-(j)
(j) Dead-ball contact fouls such as pushing, shoving, striking, etc. that are not part of the game action.   

7.  Uniform Numbers (Rule 1-4-2)
Paragraph 1-4-2-d  is changed to read:
d.  When a player enters the game after changing his jersey number, he must report to the referee, who then informs the opposing head coach and announces the change.  Such a player who enters the game without reporting commits a foul for unsportsmanlike conduct.
New paragraph 1-4-2-e:
e.  Two players playing the same position may not wear the same number during the game.   

8.  Jersey Numerals (Rule 1-4-4-c-3)
Change in bold:
3. Numerals.  The jersey must have clearly visible, permanent Arabic numerals measuring at least 8 and 10 inches in height front and back, respectively, of one solid color which itself is clearly in distinct contrast with the color of the jersey, irrespective of any border around the number.   (Remaining language remains unchanged.)
   

9.  Uniform and field colors must contrast (Rule 1-4-4)
Add a new paragraph j:
j.  Uniform and field colors. Either the color of the uniform pants or the color of the body of the jersey must clearly contrast with the color of the surface of the field of play.   

10. Helmet Off: Timeout Allows Player to Remain in the Game (Rule 3-3-9-a)
Add sentence to paragraph a:
a.  If a player’s helmet comes completely off through play, other than as the direct result of a foul by an opponent, the player must leave the game for the next down.  The game clock will stop at the end of the down.  The player may remain in the game if his team is granted a charged timeout.   

11.  Pylon Markings (Rule 1-2-6)
Add to Article 6, Pylons:
One manufacturer’s logo or trademark is permitted on each pylon.  Institutional and conference logos are allowed.
   
12.  Operate the chain and down box on opposite sides of the field in each half (Rule 1-2-7)
Change in bold:
The official line-to-gain (yardage chain) and down indicators shall be operated approximately six feet outside the sideline, on the press box side during the first half and opposite the press box in the second half, except in stadiums where the total playing enclosure does not permit.   

13.  Allow Wireless Communication for Officiating Crew (Rule 1-4-13)
Add exception to Rule 1-4-13:
Exception: A protected wireless communication system open only to the officiating crew and conference officiating observer is allowed.    

V. INSTANT REPLAY
14.  Clock Adjustment at the End of a Quarter (Rule 12-3-5-c)
Change in bold:
c. Clock adjustment at the end of either half any quarter.
   If at the end of any quarter a half, either during a down…. (Remaining language remains unchanged.)

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Re: 1st Look at Rule Changes
« Reply #34 on: February 19, 2013, 11:50:09 AM »
I admit I am just a dumb Texan but I ain't getting it? ? ? ?

If a WR comes crashing in from the outside, he can block low against the LB who has turned and is essentially facing the blocker since that block is "from the front"  Are you kidding me?!!?!?!


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« Reply #35 on: February 19, 2013, 12:02:25 PM »
6.  Expand Definition of Unsportsmanlike Conduct (Rule 9-2-1)
Add a new paragraph, 9-2-1-a-1-(j)
(j) Dead-ball contact fouls such as pushing, shoving, striking, etc. that are not part of the game action.   

Hypothetical time.

As the ball is becoming dead, A60 charges towards B40, who is obviously out of the play, and after the ball is dead he contacts B40 with a shoulder to the chest.  B40 gets up and pushes A60 hard in the chest.  The officials call a foul on both players.  Personal foul each; or just for A60, and USC for B40?

If USC for B40: five minutes later, exactly the same thing happens between the same players.  Is B40 now disqualified for two unsportsmanlike fouls?

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Re: 1st Look at Rule Changes
« Reply #36 on: February 19, 2013, 12:08:00 PM »
I'm more confused now than what I was with last years changes to the BBW rules.   ???

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« Reply #37 on: February 19, 2013, 12:18:02 PM »
In the zone you can BBW in any way until ball leaves, when it leaves only from the front. Everybody else from the front of the player you are blocking. Still cant BBW toward own GL beyond NZ even if from front. Does that sum it up? or did I miss something. I just want to make sure I am understanding.

Also so the :03 Rule is only if the game clock is stopped... so there is not a judgement factor if the clock is running and we have to make a determination if the snap was at :04 :03 or :02.

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Re: 1st Look at Rule Changes
« Reply #38 on: February 19, 2013, 12:35:05 PM »
Well it seems to have achieved its goal of making it easier to officiate.  I just wish RR would redefine the Tackle box as the back unrestricted zone from the 2012 changes,

i.e. I would like: The Tackle Box is the rectangular area enclosed by the neutral zone, the two lines parallel to the sidelines either five yards from the snapper or the outside of the frame of the body of the second lineman from the snapper in each direction, whichever is closer to the snapper, and Team A's end line.

Although the definition is rather hard to write, an accompanying diagram for both situations would clear up the intent.

If he doesn't make this editorial change, then we'll be having the same argument as 2011 with regard to the backs who are inside the tackle box with respect to this new rule.

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Re: 1st Look at Rule Changes
« Reply #39 on: February 19, 2013, 12:36:15 PM »
  “From the front” is understood to mean within the semi-circle forward of the player being blocked.

On its face, I think this is the confusing part... does it matter the direction the B player is facing?  Is there an acceptable angle +/- 90o .  Surely they have thought this through and have more clarification, for them to be doing an about face from lasty year.
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Re: 1st Look at Rule Changes
« Reply #40 on: February 19, 2013, 12:58:54 PM »
"The front" must be defined with some relationship to the goal the player is attacking otherwise the low "crackback"is good to go if it is in "the front" of the defender who is facing the sideline.  By making it relative to the goal he is attacking, the WR would have to get between the defender and the goal the defender is attacking and then block N-S. As for how much of an angle off that N-S line is going to be permissible.......

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Re: 1st Look at Rule Changes
« Reply #41 on: February 19, 2013, 01:06:15 PM »
So... No more green jersey and pants

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Re: 1st Look at Rule Changes
« Reply #42 on: February 19, 2013, 01:34:15 PM »
Do we think the original BBW sentence "There shall be no blocking below the waist (other than against the ball carrier) except as allowed below." is still around?

Otherwise, it doesn't appear that B can block the ball carrier as a tackle (e.g from the side). Or would that be picked up by the clip rule or the trip rule) where they can do that?

Of course, as always, I'm worried that "ball carrier" is used in this rule rather than "runner" (as in the clip or trip rule).

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Re: 1st Look at Rule Changes
« Reply #43 on: February 19, 2013, 03:31:52 PM »
Hypothetical time.

As the ball is becoming dead, A60 charges towards B40, who is obviously out of the play, and after the ball is dead he contacts B40 with a shoulder to the chest.  B40 gets up and pushes A60 hard in the chest.  The officials call a foul on both players.  Personal foul each; or just for A60, and USC for B40?

If USC for B40: five minutes later, exactly the same thing happens between the same players.  Is B40 now disqualified for two unsportsmanlike fouls?

I'll choose c) USC on both. Both fouls happen after the ball became dead and neither was part of game action. If the same thing happens five minutes later, both are disqualified.

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« Reply #44 on: February 19, 2013, 04:48:07 PM »
"The front" must be defined with some relationship to the goal the player is attacking otherwise the low "crackback"is good to go if it is in "the front" of the defender who is facing the sideline.  By making it relative to the goal he is attacking, the WR would have to get between the defender and the goal the defender is attacking and then block N-S. As for how much of an angle off that N-S line is going to be permissible.......
First of all, thanks to all you guys who keep this board interesting and accurate...haven't posted in months, but I've been learning from all of you.
As to Mike's point, I think that he's probably going to be proved right on the orientation of the "semicircle", but it seems to me that the low crackback is still good to go... picturing a toss sweep and B pursuing on the 50 toward the sideline, wideout A could still block B low back toward the ball so long as A is coming from the A49 1/2; I don't see any N-S req't; seems like "WNW" is fine;
And even if the "semicircle forward" is oriented around the pursuing B player's shoulders, for example, wideout A could legally block low if A was coming from no deeper than the 50 (since he can't block toward his own endline).
Seems like all of the adjacent sideline business is gone... and that semicircle is 180 degrees.  Am I missing something?
But I'm sure we'll hear more...

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Re: 1st Look at Rule Changes
« Reply #45 on: February 20, 2013, 08:59:34 AM »
As with everyone else, this is pure conjecture but...my original understanding of a 'crackback' block (which, as we know, doesn't exist in the rules) was a low block at the side against someone inside of the original player. This was (and still is) a dangerous block because a) the knee does not normally move this way and more importantly, b) the player may be focused on the runner and not the blocker so he has no way to protect his knees.

Now, if I read correctly, it must be from the front. Some wording, which does not appear to have made it into this rule prop, said 'clearly facing' so as to suggest the BLOCKEE had every opportunity to see the block coming. IF a linebacker is moving laterally the likelihood he will turn so he is COMPLETELY facing the wideout and at risk for being LEGALLY blocked low is, IMHO, rather low.

Thus, I don't think low blocks back toward the ball will be very prominent. If it's not clearly from the front, I think it will draw a foul and be supported. If it is from the front, the guy should have protected himself.

Just my 2 Lincolns.

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Re: 1st Look at Rule Changes
« Reply #46 on: February 20, 2013, 10:23:23 AM »
If it's not clearly from the front, I think it will draw a foul and be supported. If it is from the front, the guy should have protected himself.

Agree.  It seems the intent of the proposed BBW change is to keep legal those low blocks where a player can see it coming.  Taking out the north-south, adjacent sideline, and motion exception stuff does simplify things greatly.  Practically speaking on the field, it's like pornography -- we will know it when we see it.

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« Reply #47 on: February 20, 2013, 12:33:10 PM »
Don't disagree in spirit, but my experience is that the linebacker/def end will be facing A's backfield and focusing on the runner who is trying to make the corner, the B player will be running "forward" on an angle toward the sideline to keep A from making the corner; thus B won't be looking at the wideout coming to block him low;
Of course, there is nothing to prevent that unless you prevent the wideout from blocking low altogether (in this fashion) like we had last year.
But it will certainly be easier to officiate, whatever the ultimate wording.  But low blocks by the wideout are back!

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Re: 1st Look at Rule Changes
« Reply #48 on: February 20, 2013, 01:00:38 PM »
What I don't like about this proposition is to allow BBW by anyone on the field after the ball has left the zone as long as it's from the front.

My proposition would be to have only item (a) on the rule and forbid it altogether once the ball has left the zone described.

But that would take out the small blocker

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Re: 1st Look at Rule Changes
« Reply #49 on: February 20, 2013, 02:23:07 PM »
My proposition would be to have only item (a) on the rule and forbid it altogether once the ball has left the zone described.

But that would take out the small blocker
...and that's EXACTLY why your proposition will not pass given the current makeup of the committee.
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