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Offline TXMike

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Initial Line Charge ?
« on: November 08, 2023, 06:11:53 AM »
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Re: Initial Line Charge ?
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2023, 10:37:36 AM »
Quote from: TXMike on November 08, 2023, 06:11:53 AM
Thoughts ?

https://youtu.be/Pd33_j6wuOk

That’s marginal. Not exactly “initial”, but there isn’t really a second action. Technically, he does take three steps - stutter steps - before he dives. If I was an NCAA coordinator, I’d support the official, for a call OR a no-call.
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Re: Initial Line Charge ?
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2023, 12:53:45 PM »
Since this is a safety foul, I'd err towards saying not initial charge.  I'd give him two stutter step, but not three, like basketball LOL.
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Re: Initial Line Charge ?
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2023, 02:38:16 PM »
Quote from: dammitbobby on November 08, 2023, 12:53:45 PM
Since this is a safety foul, I'd err towards saying not initial charge.  I'd give him two stutter step, but not three, like basketball LOL.

Edited:  Illegal.  My original comment was looking on my phone and it wasn't clear.
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Re: Initial Line Charge ?
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2023, 03:12:28 PM »
He's cutting a pulling guard.  We've been told since the last low block rule changes that this is a foul. I don't see this as "initial line charge" at all.  "Initial line charge" allows a defensive lineman to cut the lineman(men) in front of them, more or less, right?
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Re: Initial Line Charge ?
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2023, 03:28:06 PM »
That's why I kept saying last year that Shaw needed to make huge clarifications to this rule, but he didn't do it. It's a mess.
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Re: Initial Line Charge ?
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2023, 04:01:02 PM »
Quote from: wtagriffin on November 08, 2023, 03:12:28 PM
He's cutting a pulling guard.  We've been told since the last low block rule changes that this is a foul. I don't see this as "initial line charge" at all.  "Initial line charge" allows a defensive lineman to cut the lineman(men) in front of them, more or less, right?

That is my understanding also.
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Re: Initial Line Charge ?
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2023, 06:11:34 PM »
Quote from: TxBJ on November 08, 2023, 04:01:02 PM
That is my understanding also.
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My crappy phone I didn't have a clear view of the play when I made my original comment.  Indeed the pulling linemen getting blocked below the waist would be illegal.  I have heard this from Shaw in a clinic.
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Re: Initial Line Charge ?
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2023, 08:59:29 AM »
Quote from: wtagriffin on November 08, 2023, 03:12:28 PM
He's cutting a pulling guard.  We've been told since the last low block rule changes that this is a foul. I don't see this as "initial line charge" at all.  "Initial line charge" allows a defensive lineman to cut the lineman(men) in front of them, more or less, right?

I agree here.  We're pretty liberal when cutting the players in front of you, but cutting a pulling guard is a pretty easy foul, IMO.  They definitely don't want the pulling guard to be cut.
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