Author Topic: NFHS Part 1 Exam (Read 10418 times)

zoom · « **on:** July 31, 2016, 07:04:41 AM »

I will not post the questions here, but I just wanted to point out that there are 4 questions in a row in which the question asks whether a period should be ended or extended. In two of them, the phrase "last timed down of the period" is used, but this is the old language. Answer all 4 questions as if they used the up to date language, "a down in which time expired", and you will be fine. The answer key is written assuming the language is up to date.

Rulesman · « **Reply #1 on:** July 31, 2016, 12:05:20 PM »

These type questions have been a problem for years. The Fed really needs to hire someone who knows how to write a coherent test.n

prab · « **Reply #2 on:** July 31, 2016, 12:39:23 PM »

Speaking of coherence:

Can "all of the answers are correct" EVER be the answer to a multiple choice question where one of the other possible answers is "none of the answers are correct"?

FLAHL · « **Reply #3 on:** July 31, 2016, 01:28:24 PM »

Quote from: prab on July 31, 2016, 12:39:23 PM

Speaking of coherence:

Can "all of the answers are correct" EVER be the answer to a multiple choice question where one of the other possible answers is "none of the answers are correct"?

Quote from: Rulesman on July 31, 2016, 12:05:20 PM

These type questions have been a problem for years. The Fed really needs to hire someone who knows how to write a coherent test.n

+1 to both of you

Curious · « **Reply #4 on:** July 31, 2016, 02:24:56 PM »

Is there a link to this test? Looked thru the NFHS web-site; but couldn't find anything.

Rulesman · « **Reply #5 on:** July 31, 2016, 03:56:33 PM »

Quote from: prab on July 31, 2016, 12:39:23 PM

Speaking of coherence:

Can "all of the answers are correct" EVER be the answer to a multiple choice question where one of the other possible answers is "none of the answers are correct"?

Like I said...

Rulesman · « **Reply #6 on:** July 31, 2016, 03:59:19 PM »

Quote from: Curious on July 31, 2016, 02:24:56 PM

Is there a link to this test? Looked thru the NFHS web-site; but couldn't find anything.

Your state association provides access to the test if they so choose, either by paper or online.

zoom · « **Reply #7 on:** July 31, 2016, 04:19:47 PM »

Many states offer the exam through the following site

https://exams.nfhs.org/

You can see if your state is listed. I work games in both Connecticut and Rhode Island. Connecticut is a paper test, but when I log in as a RI official, the test is available online.

ncwingman · « **Reply #8 on:** July 31, 2016, 05:45:47 PM »

Quote from: prab on July 31, 2016, 12:39:23 PM

Speaking of coherence:

Can "all of the answers are correct" EVER be the answer to a multiple choice question where one of the other possible answers is "none of the answers are correct"?

Yes, only if it's worded slightly differently.

a) Option A
b) Option B
c) All of the above
d) None of the above

By making sure that "all" comes before "none", then the "none" option is not "above" the "all" option and is not included.

Otherwise, you're getting a little pedantic. There are serious "options" (A and B) and choices regarding combinations of the options (C and D).

Rulesman · « **Reply #9 on:** July 31, 2016, 09:06:50 PM »

Wouldn't "Both A and B" or "Neither A or B" make more sense? They've already dumbed it down to the lowest common denominator. I recall years ago questions were worded where you had 3 or 4 possible answers to pick from. They made you think and made you get into the rule book. All you have to be is a good test taker to pass today's versions.

prab · « **Reply #10 on:** July 31, 2016, 09:24:13 PM »

Quote from: ncwingman on July 31, 2016, 05:45:47 PM

Yes, only if it's worded slightly differently.

a) Option A
b) Option B
c) All of the above
d) None of the above

By making sure that "all" comes before "none", then the "none" option is not "above" the "all" option and is not included.

Otherwise, you're getting a little pedantic. There are serious "options" (A and B) and choices regarding combinations of the options (C and D).

Kudos for first use of "pedantic" on the forum!

HLinNC · « **Reply #11 on:** August 01, 2016, 07:06:15 AM »

N.C. access was routed through the Arbiter this year instead of NFHS.org.

FLAHL · « **Reply #12 on:** August 01, 2016, 01:07:36 PM »

Quote from: ncwingman on July 31, 2016, 05:45:47 PM

Yes, only if it's worded slightly differently.

a) Option A
b) Option B
c) All of the above
d) None of the above

By making sure that "all" comes before "none", then the "none" option is not "above" the "all" option and is not included.

In FL, I know that there are multiple versions of the test, so my question #1 is not the same as your question #1. I believe that the answer keys are shuffled as well. So even if the answer key is originally worded as above, it can get screwed up pretty quickly. I've had multiple choice questions where option A is "None of the Above" and there is nothing above.

FBUmp · « **Reply #13 on:** August 01, 2016, 07:27:27 PM »

Quote from: HLinNC on August 01, 2016, 07:06:15 AM

N.C. access was routed through the Arbiter this year instead of NFHS.org.

And the sequence of questions is different for every user.

Ralph Damren · « **Reply #14 on:** August 02, 2016, 07:45:19 AM »

Quote from: FBUmp on August 01, 2016, 07:27:27 PM

And the sequence of questions is different for every user.

One of the choices when a state establishes the NFHS test for its members is : "Do you want a random sequence of questions?" If you do, everyone will have the same 100 questions but in random order. This prevents collusion when taking the test as your #27 and my #27 will be totally different.

bama_stripes · « **Reply #15 on:** August 02, 2016, 07:59:34 AM »

Quote from: Ralph Damren on August 02, 2016, 07:45:19 AM

This prevents collusion when taking the test as your #27 and my #27 will be totally different.

Our state uses its own T/F test, with each official receiving 50 questions out of a data bank of 300 or so. It's unlikely that any two officials in the same area will have the exact same test, although they may have many of the same questions.

However, we are allowed two hours to complete the test, AND it's open book. How anyone ever fails (<80%) such a test is beyond me. Still......

Atlanta Blue · « **Reply #16 on:** August 02, 2016, 08:09:08 AM »

Quote from: bama_stripes on August 02, 2016, 07:59:34 AM

However, we are allowed two hours to complete the test, AND it's open book. How anyone ever fails (<80%) such a test is beyond me. Still......

There is a real simple answer: pass, or you can't work Varsity games. Suddenly, people would take it more seriously.

Right now, if they can still work all year and the only downside is they won't get a playoff game, well, the people that aren't passing it probably weren't going to be getting playoff games anyway. So why bother?

FLAHL · « **Reply #17 on:** August 02, 2016, 08:20:37 AM »

Quote from: Atlanta Blue on August 02, 2016, 08:09:08 AM

There is a real simple answer: pass, or you can't work Varsity games. Suddenly, people would take it more seriously.

That's the case in our association. If you don't pass the test, you can only work JV games and youth.

LAZebra · « **Reply #18 on:** August 02, 2016, 08:36:54 AM »

Quote from: Atlanta Blue on August 02, 2016, 08:09:08 AM

There is a real simple answer: pass, or you can't work Varsity games. Suddenly, people would take it more seriously.

Right now, if they can still work all year and the only downside is they won't get a playoff game, well, the people that aren't passing it probably weren't going to be getting playoff games anyway. So why bother?

In Alabama, if you do not pass, make an 80 or above, in three attempts, you can't work any game, varsity or otherwise.

zoom · « **Reply #19 on:** August 02, 2016, 08:39:21 AM »

In our association, the test is take-home and open book. There is also a scheduled test review scheduled prior to the due date. The point of the exam requirement, here, is to get all of the officials into the rule book. Only officials who demonstrate that they have completed the exam may attend the test review, and officials need to include rule references. It is possible that we have some officials who cheat, but since the score on the test is not made public, there is little reason to cheat, unless the official doesn't want to open the rule book at all. Those officials tend to work only low level games anyway, I expect. I don't know what the minimum score is, but I believe that a low score would preclude an official from officiating at all.

SCHSref · « **Reply #20 on:** August 02, 2016, 04:01:04 PM »

In SC, we have a 100 t/f exam. It helps to determine your rating. The higher the score, the better your chance of the shrine bowl, north/south game and state championship game

Ironhead17 · « **Reply #21 on:** August 03, 2016, 09:12:38 AM »

Quote from: SCHSref on August 02, 2016, 04:01:04 PM

In SC, we have a 100 t/f exam. It helps to determine your rating. The higher the score, the better your chance of the shrine bowl, north/south game and state championship game

Also, in SC we get the results of our test almost immediately, but the test is not returned to you until the next summer so you don't know what questions you missed for almost an entire year. That's gotta change.
I found it interesting that the highest test average by District was 90. It's usually a fairly tough test.