Enforcement scenarios on change of possession plays

[Fatso]

1. What happens if both teams foul after a change of possession?

2. What happens if A/K fouls before COP and B/R fouls after COP?

3. What happens if B/R fouls before COP and A/K fouls after COP?


In all scenarios, B/R is in possession when the down ends.  All fouls are live ball and not UNS or nonplayer fouls.

[HLinNC]

1. B got the ball with clean hands.  Decline A's foul, enforce B.  10-2-2
2. See #1.
3. B did not have clean hands.   Both teams would accept the penalty for their opponent's foul-double foul, replay the down.  10-2-1

[Fatso]

1. B got the ball with clean hands.  Decline A's foul, enforce B.  10-2-2
2. See #1.
3. B did not have clean hands.   Both teams would accept the penalty for their opponent's foul-double foul, replay the down.  10-2-1

Thank you!

In 1., what if it's a booming punt and B's field position would be poor.  Can they accept A's foul and have down replayed?


I guess what I'm asking is if the rules/options are different if the COP is a fumble/interception vs COP via scrimmage kick?

[SCHSref]

Thank you!

In 1., what if it's a booming punt and B's field position would be poor.  Can they accept A's foul and have down replayed?


I guess what I'm asking is if the rules/options are different if the COP is a fumble/interception vs COP via scrimmage kick?

So, it's a deep punt and K facemasks R and R holds K? If that is the case, R still has the ball at the end and it will be there ball after enforcement.

[Ralph Damren]

The tricky one is :

(1) 3rd & 8 @ 50. A's pass intercepted by B1 @ B's 30;
(2) B2 blocks in back @ B's 35;
(3) B1 advances to 50 and is tackled by A2 W/ FM.

To keep the ball, B must decline A's FM foul with B's BIB enforced from B's 35. The only other option is for B to accept A's foul = double foul = replay the down.

[Fatso]

So, it's a deep punt and K facemasks R and R holds K? If that is the case, R still has the ball at the end and it will be there ball after enforcement.

What if K's foul is before change of possession and R's foul is after?  If R doesnt like their field position can they accept the foul on A and have the down replayed?

Are scrimmage kicks, fumbles, and interceptions all handled the same way, or is there special rules for kicks?

[Fatso]

The tricky one is :

(1) 3rd & 8 @ 50. A's pass intercepted by B1 @ B's 30;
(2) B2 blocks in back @ B's 35;
(3) B1 advances to 50 and is tackled by A2 W/ FM.

To keep the ball, B must decline A's FM foul with B's BIB enforced from B's 35. The only other option is for B to accept A's foul = double foul = replay the down.

Gotcha, thanks.

If B accepts A's penalty (regardless of if A fouled before or after the change of possession), then the down is replayed, is that right?

[Ralph Damren]

Gotcha, thanks.

If B accepts A's penalty (regardless of if A fouled before or after the change of possession), then the down is replayed, is that right?

YES

[CalhounLJ]

What if K's foul is before change of possession and R's foul is after?  If R doesnt like their field position can they accept the foul on A and have the down replayed?

Are scrimmage kicks, fumbles, and interceptions all handled the same way, or is there special rules for kicks?

10-2 explains all this in detail. Read the rule book and the case book and I think it will become more clear to you.

[Fatso]

YES

Thanks.

Also - are scrimmage kick plays treated any differently than fumble/interception plays as far as change of possession/ clean hands rule?

[ncwingman]

Thanks.

Also - are scrimmage kick plays treated any differently than fumble/interception plays as far as change of possession/ clean hands rule?

Yes, potentially.

If it is just a foul on R that falls under PSK, R retains the ball, with the basic spot being the end of the kick. If it's a foul on K prior to the end of the kick, it can be "tacked on" at the succeeding spot and does not have to be declined for R to keep the ball (also applies to free kicks).

Both of these scenarios require that R has possession at the end of the down. If K recovers the kick (or a fumble after it), then we have general loose ball enforcement as before. (Note - there's more to PSK than just that, but just to keep things general and simple since you don't need all of PSK to "tack on" a K penalty).

[Fatso]

Yes, potentially.

If it is just a foul on R that falls under PSK, R retains the ball, with the basic spot being the end of the kick. If it's a foul on K prior to the end of the kick, it can be "tacked on" at the succeeding spot and does not have to be declined for R to keep the ball (also applies to free kicks).

Both of these scenarios require that R has possession at the end of the down. If K recovers the kick (or a fumble after it), then we have general loose ball enforcement as before. (Note - there's more to PSK than just that, but just to keep things general and simple since you don't need all of PSK to "tack on" a K penalty).

Thanks, appreciate your help