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General Discussion / Re: UFL

« Last post by ElvisLives on Yesterday at 01:36:30 PM »

I can’t make this up.

I tuned into a live game a short while ago (Birmingham @ Memphis, I think), and, in the FIRST down I watched, Team A had 4th and about 8, or so, and changed from a punt formation and ran the ball quickly, to try to get the first down. The BC got tackled 2 yards short of a first down. So, Team B takes over and, on the first down of their possession, the QB gets pressured, attempts to run, trips and fumbles the ball, and the defense recovers. Totally inept on both ends of the ball.

Just plain horrible football.

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NCAA Discussion / Re: Just a quickie, cuz I’m bored

« Last post by GA Umpire on Yesterday at 10:56:30 AM »

I will try to do more research before I reply to other posts.

Also, I need to improve on my reading comprehension.  And proofreading skills.

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NCAA Discussion / Re: Just a quickie, cuz I’m bored

« Last post by GA Umpire on Yesterday at 10:51:55 AM »

GA, as Kalle points out, NCAA is very different than NFHS. All legal in A. Intentional Grounding in B, with B having the option to accept an ‘artificial’ result of the down, instead of accepting a safety (or they can take the safety - their choice). I say ‘artificial,’ because, by rule, when an illegal forward pass falls incomplete, the ball belongs to the passing team at the spot of the pass (not the previous spot). But, there is an exception when the pass is made from the end zone. Team B can accept, essentially, an incomplete pass, i.e., ball spotted at the previous spot, next down. In this case, since it had been 4th down, that results in Team B being awarded the ball at the previous spot, first down.

Upon further review, under NFHS rules in A, if the pass clearly crossed the LoS, it is simply an incomplete pass.
Rule change a couple of seasons ago.

Brain cramp.
 

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NCAA Discussion / Re: Just a quickie, cuz I’m bored

« Last post by ElvisLives on Yesterday at 08:52:01 AM »

A) Legal forward pass, the player who controlled the snap is outside the tackle box and the pass lands beyond the neutral zone. Team B 1/10 A-2 (right hash), snap, 25.

Kalle, for Team B, would that be the right hash? Or the left hash? 😁. (Sorry. Just being a wise guy. Couldn’t help myself.)

B) Illegal forward pass, the player who controlled the snap is not and has not been outside the tackle box. Safety. Team A FK A-20. PC 25. If team B declines the penalty, see A).

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NCAA Discussion / Re: Just a quickie, cuz I’m bored

« Last post by ElvisLives on Yesterday at 08:02:26 AM »

Not up on NCAA rules, but under NFHS rules, in both cases, it is an illegal forward pass with the enforcement spot from the spot of the pass resulting in a safety.

(Answering because I am also bored.)

GA, as Kalle points out, NCAA is very different than NFHS. All legal in A. Intentional Grounding in B, with B having the option to accept an ‘artificial’ result of the down, instead of accepting a safety (or they can take the safety - their choice). I say ‘artificial,’ because, by rule, when an illegal forward pass falls incomplete, the ball belongs to the passing team at the spot of the pass (not the previous spot). But, there is an exception when the pass is made from the end zone. Team B can accept, essentially, an incomplete pass, i.e., ball spotted at the previous spot, next down. In this case, since it had been 4th down, that results in Team B being awarded the ball at the previous spot, first down.

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NCAA Discussion / Re: Just a quickie, cuz I’m bored

« Last post by Kalle on Yesterday at 12:59:26 AM »

A) Legal forward pass, the player who controlled the snap is outside the tackle box and the pass lands beyond the neutral zone. Team B 1/10 A-2 (right hash), snap, 25.

B) Illegal forward pass, the player who controlled the snap is not and has not been outside the tackle box. Safety. Team A FK A-20. PC 25. If team B declines the penalty, see A).

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NCAA Discussion / Re: Just a quickie, cuz I’m bored

« Last post by GA Umpire on May 03, 2024, 09:47:14 PM »

Not up on NCAA rules, but under NFHS rules, in both cases, it is an illegal forward pass with the enforcement spot from the spot of the pass resulting in a safety.

(Answering because I am also bored.)

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NCAA Discussion / Just a quickie, cuz I’m bored

« Last post by ElvisLives on May 03, 2024, 03:50:26 PM »

A) 4/13, A-2 (right hash), 3:10 (4) A=3, B=7.

A11 receives the deep snap 8 yards deep in his end zone. As he begins to step forward to punt the ball, B99 breaks through the line and is rapidly approaching A11. A11 sees B99 and realizes that, if he attempts to punt the ball, B99 will block the kick. A11 runs to his left (top the opposite hash mark) and looks for somebody - ANYBODY - to whom to pass the ball. Now, under pressure from several B players, A11 throws the ball from 5 yards deep in the end zone, and the ball lands inbounds at the A-3, but with only A77 and A55 in the vicinity of where the ball landed.

Ruling:



B) 4/13, A-2 (right hash), 3:10 (4) A=3, B=7.

A11 receives the deep snap 8 yards deep in his end zone. As he begins to step forward to punt the ball, B99 breaks through the line and is rapidly approaching A11. A11 sees B99 and realizes that, if he attempts to punt the ball, B99 will block the kick. A11 takes one side step to avoid the charging B99, and looks for somebody - ANYBODY - to whom to pass the ball. Now, under pressure from several B players, A11 throws the ball from 5 yards deep in the end zone, and the ball lands inbounds at the A-3, but with only A77 and A55 in the vicinity of where the ball landed.

Ruling:

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General Discussion / Re: UFL

« Last post by ElvisLives on May 02, 2024, 08:57:13 PM »

OK, no joke, here. Hadn’t looked at a UFL game since my post on April 14. Tuned in just now (which is actually a re-run of a game from last weekend), and the first down I see, the QB gets sacked.

Just plain bad football.

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General Discussion / Re: UFL

« Last post by Ralph Damren on May 02, 2024, 06:18:16 AM »

Thanks, Maineac, for the update. I'll follow my pledge and try to watch at least one of their games. I assume by your name that we are from the same state/tribe  .If so, if you aren't a fellow ootball official, you shoud consider joining as we (like the rest of the nation) are hurting for numbers.  It's a great hobby and one of the few where you get paid.