Unusual situation in Playoff game

[Covid 22]

In a playoff game last night, there was a strange twist after a call.  Yoe vs Hallettsville.   1st & 10, ball carrier goes down the sideline for a touchdown.   A flag on the play for offensive holding.   Penalized from the spot of the foul resulting in a 2nd and 1.   R announces the hold to be on the ball carrier.   After a conference, he announces it was another player.   Offense throws an incomplete pass into the end zone.   The ball is reset and the HL moves the chains to the line where the ball rests and signals 2nd and 10.   After a lengthy discussion and some confusion with the coaches (both coaches on the field way past the hashes) the chains are reset to 2nd and 1.   

My question, anybody know why they might have reset the chains to 2 and 10?   It was just an odd move.

[CosmoKramer]

In a playoff game last night, there was a strange twist after a call.  Yoe vs Hallettsville.   1st & 10, ball carrier goes down the sideline for a touchdown.   A flag on the play for offensive holding.   Penalized from the spot of the foul resulting in a 2nd and 1.   R announces the hold to be on the ball carrier.   After a conference, he announces it was another player.   Offense throws an incomplete pass into the end zone.   The ball is reset and the HL moves the chains to the line where the ball rests and signals 2nd and 10.   After a lengthy discussion and some confusion with the coaches (both coaches on the field way past the hashes) the chains are reset to 2nd and 10.   

My question, anybody know why they might have reset the chains to 2 and 10?   It was just an odd move.

Based on your description the error began by starting the first play 1st & 10 but then the next play 2nd & 1 after having an accepted penalty against the offense that is not a loss of down penalty.  Everything you mentioned would be fine except it should have been 1st &1 rather than 2nd &1.  After the next play of an incomplete pass the true down and distance would then be 2nd & 1.  From there, it's unexplainable as to why the HL would move the chains and create 2nd & 10.  My assumption is they screwed up the penalty enforcement in several ways of wrong and got themselves in a hole they couldn't get out of logically.  It either should have been 1st & 1 because the penalty enforcement brought the ball back inside the chains or it should have been 1st & 10 because it was still an obtained first down after the OH enforcement.  At not time should it have been 2nd down.  Frankly I don't blame the coaches for being out on the field trying to get an explanation.  That kind of penalty is enforcement 101 and shouldn't happen with a playoff crew. 

[AlUpstateNY]

We all make mistakes, some more egregious than others, that's why we work as a team so we can review possible mistakes and correct them ON THE SPOT, after careful deliberation.

Coaches have LONG had the option to "request" an explanation about ANYTHING they disagree with, or don't understand, by simply asking for the Referee to REVIEW &/OR EXPLAIN any ruling.  That discussion is intended to be held AT the coach's sideline (or when necessary SEPARATELY at EACH coach's sideline, in an ADULT & CIVIL manner. 

If a correction is made (OR the Referee decides appropriate), the T/O is deemed an Official's TO.  Neither coach should "be way out beyond the hash marks", under ANY circumstances.  The appropriate way to alert the Referee about wanting a discussion is to simply ask the wing official on his sideline to convey that request to the Referee. 

Should the decision be altered, or modified, and the capabilities exist, the press box and/or spectators can be advised of the corrections.

[NVFOA_Ump]

IMHO the explanation is a simple one.  After the 2nd play that should have been 1st & 1, someone, probably a crew member, correctly noted that that play "should have been 1st down"  and somewhere in the translation of that fact we got confused and took the statement literally and made it a 1st down.  Just another example of being clear and concise when describing what we need to do. Should have been that the previous play was a "replay 1st down" and not just "1st down".

[Ralph Damren]

It sounds like they started to get it wrong but finally got it right . When you have a spot foul beyond the line to gain and the penalty brings the ball back inside the previous series, it may seem confusing.

They were initially confused but got it right while they still could. Accolades to them...

 MAY YE WHO HAS NEVER BEEN CONFUSED ON PENALTY ENFORCEMENT (SINNED) THROW THE FIRST FLAG (STONE) 

[NVFOA_Ump]

 MAY YE WHO HAS NEVER BEEN CONFUSED ON PENALTY ENFORCEMENT (SINNED) THROW THE FIRST FLAG (STONE) 

But no one would be throwing any stones!?    And the key here is get it right, hopefully before the post-game beverages!   

[jernardg]

 UNS flags on both coaches! They cannot come onto the field to protest a call! Period! The sooner we as officials address these issues the better it will be for all of us.

[CosmoKramer]

UNS flags on both coaches! They cannot come onto the field to protest a call! Period! The sooner we as officials address these issues the better it will be for all of us.

I'm not opposed to flagging a coach a UNS for being on the field but in doing so you better be damn sure they deserve it.  In the original description of this situation it was not stated they were "protesting".  If/when we created bad situation their needs to be some latitude given to communicate with the coaches.  If the coach is, calmly, at the hash waiting on clarity I do not consider that grounds for a UNS.  It's okay to politely ask them to head back towards their sideline and inform them you will be over the soon to provide an explanation.  But certainly if they are showing their IDIOT a UNS may be appropriate. 

[ElvisLives]

If the coach is, calmly, at the hash waiting on clarity I do not consider that grounds for a UNS.

No. Absolutely not. Arguing or not. Keep them outside the numbers, if they aren't arguing, i.e., just kinda hangin' around to get an explanation. BY RULE, ANY TIME DURING THE GAME, INCLUDING DEAD-BALL PERIODS AND TIME-OUTS OF ANY KIND, SIDELINE PERSONNEL ARE NOT PERMITTED ON THE FIELD WITHOUT OUR PERMISSION. PERIOD. Use this rule. Coach, you can be out here, but stay outside the numbers. We'll get you a complete explanation in a moment. Then, when giving the explanation, escort him off the field to give the explanation. And keep all team personnel outside the numbers during charged times-out, etc. Keep the coaches AT THE SIDELINES as much as possible when they are giving instructions/signal to their teams. Don't let 'em wander out to the numbers. If the take a step onto the field, give their instructions promptly, and then get back off the field, well, OK. Just make it quick, and don't let them stay on the field, or even in the white. Get 'em out of the restricted area once they have given their signals/instructions.

[CosmoKramer]

No. Absolutely not. Arguing or not. Keep them outside the numbers, if they aren't arguing, i.e., just kinda hangin' around to get an explanation. BY RULE, ANY TIME DURING THE GAME, INCLUDING DEAD-BALL PERIODS AND TIME-OUTS OF ANY KIND, SIDELINE PERSONNEL ARE NOT PERMITTED ON THE FIELD WITHOUT OUR PERMISSION. PERIOD. Use this rule. Coach, you can be out here, but stay outside the numbers. We'll get you a complete explanation in a moment. Then, when giving the explanation, escort him off the field to give the explanation. And keep all team personnel outside the numbers during charged times-out, etc. Keep the coaches AT THE SIDELINES as much as possible when they are giving instructions/signal to their teams. Don't let 'em wander out to the numbers. If the take a step onto the field, give their instructions promptly, and then get back off the field, well, OK. Just make it quick, and don't let them stay on the field, or even in the white. Get 'em out of the restricted area once they have given their signals/instructions.

Hence why I said to politely ask them to return to the sideline.  Which is pretty much what you are stating later in your response.  The key to my response is based on how the coach is handling the bad situation caused by the officials. 

But for anyone out there that feels the need to ring up a coach for a UNS for an avoidable problem created by the officials, knock yourself out.  Nothing like throwing gasoline on a fire. 

[Etref]

Knew an official who would lead the coach back to  the sideline and step off the field with his back to the crowd, This put the coach facing the home crowd to see his antics…. Worked pretty well

Robert, you likely knew JK also

[dammitbobby]

We have some home field fans here that if you did that, would completely motivate them to be more raucous and supportive of the coach 'chewing out' the official.