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Offline Derek Teigen

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'lateral' Pass
« on: November 03, 2020, 10:34:05 AM »
Testing:  In the NCAA thread Administrator Kalle embedded an auto correct to change any mention of 'backward' pass to 'backward' pass.  Testing to see if this has carried over to the National Federation boards.  But long story short I was reprimanded for using the term 'backward' pass and now understand that 'backward' pass is the correct term.  The use of the word 'backward' pass has been banned from this sight!  pi1eOn

Some musings:

A forward pass that is dropped is incomplete but a backwards pass that is dropped is a fumble.  So is a backwards 'pass' really a 'pass'?????

If we can't use backward pass how best to describe a  pass that is neither forward nor backward? 

happy voting everybody and have a fantastic day!
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Offline Derek Teigen

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Re: backward pass Pass
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2020, 10:40:12 AM »
I will never use the word 'backward' in combination with pass.  I will only use the accepted word of 'backward' in combination with pass.  The words 'backward pass' has been erased from my memory banks.  This is making me crazy  hEaDbAnG  but its kind of fun you should try it.
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Offline Kalle

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Re: 'BACKWARD PASS' Pass
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2020, 11:09:12 AM »
I changed the filter so that now the word l-a-t-e-r-a-l gets changed as lateral. This makes it a bit less confusing :)

(And yes, I really wish people on this board would stop using the L-word)
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Re: 'BACKWARD PASS' Pass
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2020, 11:18:07 AM »
I'M CONFUSED... 
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Re: 'BACKWARD PASS' Pass
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2020, 11:25:46 AM »
Quote from: Derek Teigen on November 03, 2020, 10:34:05 AM
Testing:  In the NCAA thread Administrator Kalle embedded an auto correct to change any mention of 'backward' pass to 'backward' pass.  Testing to see if this has carried over to the National Federation boards.  But long story short I was reprimanded for using the term 'backward' pass and now understand that 'backward' pass is the correct term.  The use of the word 'backward' pass has been banned from this sight!  pi1eOn

Some musings:

A forward pass that is dropped is incomplete but a backwards pass that is dropped is a fumble.  So is a backwards 'pass' really a 'pass'?????
By rule (2-31-1), a pass is a ball traveling in flight. So, direction is unimportant. Therefore, the answer is yes, a backward pass is really a pass.


If we can't use backward pass how best to describe a  pass that is neither forward nor backward? 
By rule (3-31-5), if it ain't forward, it's backward.

happy voting everybody and have a fantastic day!

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Offline Derek Teigen

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Re: 'BACKWARD PASS' Pass
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2020, 11:34:04 AM »
Quote from: Kalle on November 03, 2020, 11:09:12 AM
I changed the filter so that now the word l-a-t-e-r-a-l gets changed as BACKWARD PASS. This makes it a bit less confusing :)

(And yes, I really wish people on this board would stop using the L-word)

Hi Kalle, you might become frustrated with variants....such as Littoral Pass.   :sTiR:
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Re: 'BACKWARD PASS' Pass
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2020, 01:41:23 PM »
Derek, to be clear a loose backward pass is not a fumble although it is treated like one. It is still an incomplete backward pass.
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Re: 'BACKWARD PASS' Pass
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2020, 01:51:01 PM »
Quote from: Etref on November 03, 2020, 01:41:23 PM
Derek, to be clear a loose backward pass is not a fumble although it is treated like one. It is still an incomplete backward pass.

Outside of rule 2 having different definitions for each, is there a reason that distinction is made? (i.e, in what situation does the differing language matter?)
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Re: 'BACKWARD PASS' Pass
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2020, 07:13:58 PM »
Fourth down in NCAA, unknown about Fed. Only the one fumbling may advance. On a backward pass, any one can advance.

Also the snap is a backward pas which may be muffed but not fumbled until possession is gained.
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Offline ElvisLives

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Re: 'BACKWARD PASS' Pass
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2020, 07:21:44 PM »
Quote from: dammitbobby on November 03, 2020, 01:51:01 PM
Outside of rule 2 having different definitions for each, is there a reason that distinction is made? (i.e, in what situation does the differing language matter?)

May not apply to Fed - I don't know - but, for NCAA, a backward pass that goes OB is OB at the spot where it crossed the sideline, period, and the game clock would not start until snap during the last 2 minutes of the 2nd or 4th periods. On the other hand, a fumble that goes OB in advance of the spot of the fumble is returned to the spot of the fumble, and the game clock is restarted on the RFP signal, regardless of time remaining in any period.

Terminology is important.
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Re: 'BACKWARD PASS' Pass
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2020, 08:16:27 PM »
Lateral
fail
CRAP
Bitch
HORSE FEATHERS
IDIOT

Just testing the replace function too.  LOL!
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Re: 'BACKWARD PASS' Pass
« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2020, 11:05:59 PM »
Quote from: Derek Teigen on November 03, 2020, 11:34:04 AM
Hi Kalle, you might become frustrated with variants....such as Littoral Pass.   :sTiR:

Well, I left out the word "laterals" so that will continue to frustrate me :)
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Re: 'BACKWARD PASS' Pass
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2020, 10:16:38 AM »
Holy forking shirtballs...

What about a sideways pass? Pass in the negative X direction?

*checks thesaurus*

Oblique? Crabwise?
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Re: 'BACKWARD PASS' Pass
« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2020, 11:51:43 AM »
Quote from: ncwingman on November 04, 2020, 10:16:38 AM
Holy forking shirtballs...

What about a sideways pass? Pass in the negative X direction?

*checks thesaurus*

Oblique? Crabwise?

Will we EVER allow this poor dead horse, to RIP?  In the NFHS world, the definition of a "backward pass" (NFHS 2-31-5) clearly explains that it considers two distinctly different circumstances as examples of a "backward pass", when it describes, " a pass thrown with it's initial direction parallel with OR toward the runner's endline". 

That judgment determination rests EXCLUSIVELY with the game field officials. 
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Re: 'BACKWARD PASS' Pass
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2020, 01:25:28 PM »
Retro forward pass
Reverse pass
Rearward pass
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Re: 'BACKWARD PASS' Pass
« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2020, 03:45:45 PM »
when in doubt the pass is forward :sTiR:
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Re: 'BACKWARD PASS' Pass
« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2020, 05:49:55 PM »
I think we have    deadhorse:
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