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Texas Topics / Re: PROP Approved Rules changes - now we wait for the UIL
« Last post by dammitbobby on Yesterday at 08:42:09 AM »



This part doesn’t make sense to me from a “Why?” stand point. If a player starts at 2 yards standing up and hits a lineman, how is that more safe than a player starting on the line hitting a back? And how is it safer than starting on the line and hitting a lineman?

The only rationale I can think of (assuming the wording is intentional) is that there's enough of a delay when they are two yards off the ball to allow the lineman to get their head up. He's still going to get knocked onto his butt, most likely, but much less chance of head/neck injury.


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At one point, the NFHS Part I exams (in all sports) had become so bad that our state quit using them.  We had supervisors submit 10 questions each, and the director of officials put together the exam.  Post-Covid, we have gone back to using NFHS through Dragonfly, apparently to save a few bucks.

I’m told (and maybe Ralph can verify this) that NFHS uses college students to write the questions.  They are given the rules book, but may or may not know anything about the sport itself.  That would certainly explain some of the weirdness.
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NCAA Discussion / Re: 2024 CFO Quiz 2
« Last post by Maineac on Yesterday at 07:23:49 AM »
Question 1, can B55 participate on the next play? I was under the impression the 2MTO can’t be used for this, that B would need to buy him back in with their own TO.
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NCAA Discussion / 2024 CFO Quiz 2
« Last post by ElvisLives on May 16, 2024, 11:16:22 PM »
OK, this one challenged me. See if I screwed up.
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1. 2/10 @ B-25. Late in the 4th quarter with 2:03 remaining at the snap, A12 drops back to pass, scrambles and runs to the B-18 where he is tackled inbounds with 1:55 remaining on the clock. During the play, B55’s helmet came completely off (not as a direct result of a foul). Play clock?
RULING:
A, 3/3, B-18, snap (25).
The game clock was stopped to administer the 2-minute time out. B55 may NOT participate in the next down, unless Team B takes a charged team time out. The play clock is set to 25 seconds, and will start on the referee’s signal. The game clock will next start on the snap. There is no option for a 10-second subtraction.


2. Free Kick @ A-35. The kickoff is high and deep, and deep receiver B21 gives the “T signal” as the kick is in flight. B21 catches the kick right at the goal line and returns the kick back to the B-35.
RULING:
B, 1/10, B-35, snap (25).
As described, the signal given was neither a valid fair catch signal, nor an invalid fair catch signal, because it did not involve a waving motion. B21’s catch and advance is legal.


3. 1/10 @ A-25. Early in the 4th quarter, back A21 takes a handoff and runs for a 15-yard gain and is down inbounds. During the play, A88 is guilty of holding at the A-30, and B54’s helmet comes completely off (not as a direct result of a foul). Play clock?
RULING:
A, 1/15, A-20, ready (25).
The OH penalty is enforced at the spot of the foul, taking the ball to the A-20, and 1st down will be repeated. B54 may NOT participate in the next down, unless Team B takes a charged team time out. The play clock is set to 25 seconds, and both clocks will start on the referee’s signal. If team B takes a time out, the game clock will start on the snap.


4. 3/2 @ B-15. After the Two-Minute Timeout in the second quarter, A45 fumbles after gaining three yards. The officials cannot determine who has recovered the fumble, so the Line Judge signals the clock to stop while the ball is being located. A45 is found to be in possession of the ball at the B-14 and has not made the line to gain. Play clock?
RULING:
A, 4/1, B-14, ready (40 and running).
The Play Clock operator should start the 40-second play clock when the Line Judge signals for the game clock to stop (or, upon a dead-ball signal by any official). The game clock should be restarted immediately by the Referee when Team A possession is determined, and the officials move to spot the ball at the succeeding spot. If the play clock reaches 25 seconds before the ball can be spotted, the Referee should stop both clocks, signal for the play clock to be set to 25 seconds, and both clocks started on his signal.


5.    3/2 @ B-15. After the Two-Minute Timeout in the second quarter, A45 fumbles after gaining three yards. The officials cannot determine who has recovered the fumble, so the Line Judge signals the clock to stop while the ball is being located. A45 is found to be in possession of the ball at the B-12 and has made the line to gain. Play clock?
RULING:
A, 1/10, B-12
The Play Clock operator should start the 40-second play clock when the Line Judge signals for the game clock to stop (or, upon a dead-ball signal by any official). The game clock should be restarted by the Referee when the ball is spotted and ready for play. If the play clock reaches 25 seconds before the ball can be spotted, the Referee should stop both clocks, signal for the play clock to be set to 25 seconds, and both clocks started on his signal.


6. 3/10 @ B-40. Early in the 2nd quarter, Team A has all 3 timeouts remaining. A12 throws to A88 but the pass is ruled incomplete. The Team A head coach calls timeout to challenge the ruling on the field of an incomplete pass. Replay overturns the ruling on the field to a catch at the B-31. After the ball is ready at the B-31, Team A breaks the huddle late in the play clock, and the Team A head coach attempts to call a timeout just before the play clock displays zero.
RULING:
A, 4/1, B-31, snap (25).
Since Team A’s replay challenge overturned the ruling on the field, Team A was NOT charged a team timeout. Therefore, Team A may now be granted a charged team time out.


7. 3/10 @ A-25. After the Two-Minute Timeout in the fourth quarter and the clock running with 1:25 left in the game, Team B is behind by 3 points and has no timeouts remaining. To conserve time, B77 crosses the neutral zone and touches a Team A player.
RULING:
A, 3/5, A-30, 1:15 (4), ready (25).
The 5-yard penalty for B77’s dead-ball DOF foul takes the ball to the A-30, and carries a 10-second subtraction. By rule, the game clock is started on the referee’s signal.


8. 3/10 @ B-30. After the Two-Minute Timeout in the second quarter and the clock running, Team A has no timeouts remaining. Ball carrier A21 sweeps around right end and throws a backward pass out of bounds to conserve time from the B-25 and the ball goes out of bounds at the B-27. The clock reads 0:15 when the ball lands out of bounds.
RULING:
A, 4/10, B-30, 0:05 (4), ready (no play clock).
The 5-yard penalty from the spot of the pass for the illegal pass to conserve time also carries loss of down. Inside 2-minutes in the 2nd/4th periods, the penalty also allows Team B to accept a 10-second subtraction from the game clock, which also requires the game clock to start on the referee’s signal. With less than 25 seconds on the game clock, there is no play clock.

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Texas Topics / Re: PROP Approved Rules changes - now we wait for the UIL
« Last post by ElvisLives on May 16, 2024, 08:58:01 PM »



This part doesn’t make sense to me from a “Why?” stand point. If a player starts at 2 yards standing up and hits a lineman, how is that more safe than a player starting on the line hitting a back? And how is it safer than starting on the line and hitting a lineman?

Don’t get me started. I’m just trying to mitigate the ambiguities in the rule we are getting, and make it as ‘black and white’ as possible, so we can all officiate it consistently.
This will be covered in the Webinar on Wednesday. Tune in.
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IMHO, the question here should be DID the muff by B caused the ball into and out of A's end zone.

IMHO, if the ball was bouncing away from tthe end zone or nearly at rest when muffed by B = touchback

IMHO, if the ball was bouncing toward the end zone when muffed by B = safety

IMHO, A was the fault of the loose ball, they shouldn't be rewarded by giving them a new series via a touchback.

IMHO, Celtics are on a roll, Bruins are hanging on and unsure about the Red Sox.  tR:oLl
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say safety...by rule. A was in team possession when the ball went through the end zone and across the end line.


And what rule is that?  2.13.2 pretty clearly says otherwise?
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Texas Topics / Re: PROP Approved Rules changes - now we wait for the UIL
« Last post by Legacy Zebra on May 16, 2024, 02:33:04 PM »
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And B players more than 1 yard off their line are not restricted.



This part doesn’t make sense to me from a “Why?” stand point. If a player starts at 2 yards standing up and hits a lineman, how is that more safe than a player starting on the line hitting a back? And how is it safer than starting on the line and hitting a lineman?
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National Federation Discussion / Re: Question about Force after an errant snap.
« Last post by SCHSref on May 16, 2024, 01:53:06 PM »
I'm going to go out on a limb and say safety...by rule. A was in team possession when the ball went through the end zone and across the end line.
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Agree with bama_stripes here.  This cannot be considered a valid T/F question as this is a 100% judgement call owned by the covering official(s).
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