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Offline Kalle

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Re: 7-man mechanics in High School
« Reply #25 on: September 28, 2018, 12:27:29 AM »
Kalle, the International American Football Officials Association Manual of Football Officiating by Jim Briggs has two sections specifically devoted to the responsibilities of the Head Linesman, Line Judge, and Back Judge in 6C Mechanics (6-man mechanics with a centre judge).

Huh, I've completely missed that. Thanks!

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Re: 7-man mechanics in High School
« Reply #26 on: September 29, 2018, 01:27:44 PM »
New league in my area here in Michigan is using 7 man for varsity and 5 man for Freshman & JV. This is for all league and non league games.

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Re: 7-man mechanics in High School
« Reply #27 on: October 01, 2018, 03:10:39 PM »
Awesome! How did they get that to work?

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Re: 7-man mechanics in High School
« Reply #28 on: October 01, 2018, 08:26:01 PM »
Kalle, the International American Football Officials Association Manual of Football Officiating by Jim Briggs has two sections specifically devoted to the responsibilities of the Head Linesman, Line Judge, and Back Judge in 6C Mechanics (6-man mechanics with a centre judge).

Football Officiating Manual said:

7. The following are the valid crew formations we recognise:
Formation Crew size/label Core group Wing group Deep group
120 3 R H, L
220 4 R, U H, L
221 5 R, U H, L B
222 6D R, U H, L F, S
321 6C R, U, C H, L B
223 7 R, U H, L B, F, S
323 8 R, U, C H, L B, F, S

Bossman, a BJ is useful for more than just deep pass plays up the middle. I know, because I have been a BJ and a 6-man deep wing, as well as a line of scrimmage official. I had a play when I was the FJ, and a receiver dove to catch a pass with his back to me. I had no angle whatsoever to rule correctly on that play, and neither did the SJ. The only person who could have had an angle to see that would have been the BJ, but there was none on the field that day (it was only a 6-man HS game in MD), as HL would have been too far, LJ would have not had a good angle, and U's attention would be elsewhere. Other similar plays that are problematic for a 6-man crew, but can be covered well in a 7-man crew include contact by defenders on the inside of receivers on passing plays (At TBFOC, the clinicians showed videos of plays at the college level that were along the sideline where the receiver was grabbed/contacted from the inside, and where only the BJ had a flag, because only he had a good angle. I would assume that similar situations would happen in high school games as well). This is similar to basketball, where a 2-man crew cannot rule properly on plays where there is contact on a ball handler or a shooter opposite the Trail and above the free-throw line extended (That play is in Trail's primary, but he has no good angle to see it. Lead may have an angle, but he should not be looking there, because he has responsibilities elsewhere.), but a 3-man crew can rule properly on that play, because they have an extra official with an inside-out look, just like a football 7-man crew has a Back Judge with an inside-out look to complement the Field Judge and Side Judge's outside-in looks.

I would have to disagree with you on 5 or 6. Personally, I would prefer to work 5-man, because it is easier to build up to 7-man from there by adding two deep wing officials than it would be to move a deep wing with no Back Judge experience to the middle. I know, because I attended the Tom Beard Football Officials Clinic for multiple years as a back judge, even though I started out in a group that did 6-man for their varsity games. It required some adjustments to my perspective to change my keys and areas of responsibility, but with some camp and (semi-pro) game experience, I can be as competent as a 7-man BJ as I was as a 6-man FJ/SJ. In my new association, some of the playoff deep officials (FJ/SJ) are regular season back judges, but others are line of scrimmage officials who move deep, because they can run, and the only adjustments that they have to make are a different starting position and different responsibilities on kick plays (the keys are similar, because both 5-man wings and 7-man deep wings are responsible for the widest man on the line of scrimmage. BJ will pick up the inside receiver on the strong side (same as in 5-man), and the wings in 7-man pick up the backs or other interior receivers on their side who were not picked up by the BJ).

So for your first point, yes, 7 man over 6 man any day of the week.

For 5 vs 6, I would go 6 every time.  I disagree the transition from 5 to 7 is easier.  I'm involved in a college association that has members from OH and WV that use 5 man mechanics.  The new guys have very bad habits from 5 man.  Deep wings get beat and want to get spots.  LOS officials are running all over the place when they don't need to.  U's unnecessarily running to the LOS.  Working as a sideline official going from 6 to 7 is easy breezy.  Essentially identical mechanics except for pass keys.

Benefits of 6 over 5:
 I thing people are so afraid of not having someone deep middle is the biggest problem. In reality, maybe 2 passes go deep middle in a whole year. That is one of the only holes in 6 man, and it only becomes an issue if something actually happens on those 2 passes.

--2 people under the post on FG.  You don't need to pull a wing official to go under the post and you have better coverage of all 22 players with 4 officials.
--Extra downfield coverage for modern day pass-happy football.
--Better sideline coverage.  All plays can be boxed in by the short and deep wings.
--Goal line is ALWAYS covered by 2 officials. Never have the inside-out look and have it be a guess at the pylon.
--You can work reverse mechanics on changes of possession.
--Wings can officiate keys and stay near the LOS. Can help with pass blocking better.
--U and R don't have to worry about the LOS or forward/backward passes.
--Great coverage on kickoffs.  3 officials on the K/R restraining lines and 3 officials on the goal line.  Everything boxed in and you can work reverse mechanics.
--Punt coverage is good to have extra eyes and the LOS officials can keep the play boxed in. Everything boxed in and you can work reverse mechanics.


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Re: 7-man mechanics in High School
« Reply #29 on: October 07, 2018, 05:41:16 AM »
I observed two Ohio six-man playoff crews last year and then watched the state finals.  I like the six man crew with the Center Judge.  The mechanics were easy enough, and I assume that some small changes are likely.

But here in NW Ohio we are having trouble enough coming up with five officials for varsity games.  Our crew is using a second year official for half our games.  Other crews have done the same, and I've heard of several games where crews went with only four.  I've worked a couple of sub-varsity games this year with three when the school was willing to pay four.  We just don't have enough guys available.




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Re: 7-man mechanics in High School
« Reply #30 on: October 17, 2018, 11:47:27 AM »
Benefits of 6 over 5:
 I thing people are so afraid of not having someone deep middle is the biggest problem. In reality, maybe 2 passes go deep middle in a whole year. That is one of the only holes in 6 man, and it only becomes an issue if something actually happens on those 2 passes.

--2 people under the post on FG.  You don't need to pull a wing official to go under the post and you have better coverage of all 22 players with 4 officials.
--Extra downfield coverage for modern day pass-happy football.
--Better sideline coverage.  All plays can be boxed in by the short and deep wings.
--Goal line is ALWAYS covered by 2 officials. Never have the inside-out look and have it be a guess at the pylon.
--You can work reverse mechanics on changes of possession.
--Wings can officiate keys and stay near the LOS. Can help with pass blocking better.
--U and R don't have to worry about the LOS or forward/backward passes.
--Great coverage on kickoffs.  3 officials on the K/R restraining lines and 3 officials on the goal line.  Everything boxed in and you can work reverse mechanics.
--Punt coverage is good to have extra eyes and the LOS officials can keep the play boxed in. Everything boxed in and you can work reverse mechanics.

This is very well stated.