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Offline bbeagle

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You make the call
« on: September 26, 2012, 12:57:02 PM »
4th quarter :08 left. Score 12-7, B winning. 4th and 10 on B24. Last play of game.

A3 throws deep 'hail mary' pass to A81 into endzone. A81 pushes off. B43 jumps up and catches the ball, but before B43 contacts the ground, A81, who is contacting the ground, touches the ball and maintains the touch to the ground.

EDIT: All players in-bounds, and no flag thrown for OPI. One team is Green and Yellow, the other team is Blue and Green.
« Last Edit: September 26, 2012, 01:59:36 PM by bbeagle »
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Offline NCVAReferee

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Re: You make the call
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2012, 01:40:40 PM »
Does B come down inbounds or OOB?  Is A inbounds or OOB?  Since B has the ball and A only touches the ball, I am ruling touchback if he comes down inbounds.  This is tricky though.  A ball is not "possessed" until a player has caught it.  To make a "catch" an airborne player has to come down inbounds with the ball.  It will be very difficult for me to rule this like a loose ball and say a player who is OOB (assuming the case with A until the case is clarified) and touching this ball is causing the pass to be incomplete, especially if B has that ball in his grasp and A is simply touching it.

This all a moot point.  Either way B loses.  Accepting the OPI is a loss of down foul and period extension by one down. 

I'm curious to read others' opinions on possession/catch and an OOB player touching the ball when the player with the ball is airborne.  This case sounds eerily familiar to the Pack/Seahawks game.
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Offline NCVAReferee

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Re: You make the call
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2012, 01:41:48 PM »
I need to proofread.  There is NO period extension for OPI.  It's a loss of down foul.
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Offline HLinNC

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Re: You make the call
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2012, 01:59:52 PM »
Ha ha, funny.

In Fed ball, given the parameters in your post- Interception by B43,  B will accept the OPI foul by A81.  If there is time remaining, 1-10 B at the B39 yard line.  If not, game over.
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Offline NCVAReferee

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Re: You make the call
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2012, 02:06:58 PM »
How would you rule it if B is airborne and grasps the ball, and before returning to the ground A touches and continues to touch the ball?
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Offline NCVAReferee

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Re: You make the call
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2012, 02:07:29 PM »
A being OOB.
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williamhowe

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Re: You make the call
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2012, 02:32:49 PM »
If OPI is called, it also carries loss of down.  A period is not extended for any foul resulting in Loss of down.
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Re: You make the call
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2012, 03:31:22 PM »
Hey "beagle", are there replacement refs on this game? :sTiR:
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Offline bbeagle

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Re: You make the call
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2012, 03:46:06 PM »
Quote from: Curious on September 26, 2012, 03:31:22 PM
Hey "beagle", are there replacement refs on this game? :sTiR:

Yes, the referees in this high school game have never officiated above the 90lb pop warner level.
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Offline Curious

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Re: You make the call
« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2012, 03:56:44 PM »
Quote from: bbeagle on September 26, 2012, 03:46:06 PM
Yes, the referees in this high school game have never officiated above the 90lb pop warner level.

It WAS brutal.....
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AFSST

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Re: You make the call
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2012, 04:59:02 PM »
I think I'd flag the offensive team for slashing and give the defense a corner kick...
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Offline FBUmp

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Re: You make the call
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2012, 10:22:26 PM »
Quote from: bbeagle on September 26, 2012, 12:57:02 PM
4th quarter :08 left. Score 12-7, B winning. 4th and 10 on B24. Last play of game.

A3 throws deep 'hail mary' pass to A81 into endzone. A81 pushes off. B43 jumps up and catches the ball, but before B43 contacts the ground, A81, who is contacting the ground, touches the ball and maintains the touch to the ground.

EDIT: All players in-bounds, and no flag thrown for OPI. One team is Green and Yellow, the other team is Blue and Green.


Homerun.
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Offline azsteam

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Re: You make the call
« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2012, 10:11:08 AM »
Why does B43 try to catch this ball.  If he bats the ball down or outbounds behind him then he makes this call easy for everybody.

I blame B43 for screwing up this play.  :)
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ECILLJ

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Re: You make the call
« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2012, 10:33:38 AM »
Quote from: azsteam on September 27, 2012, 10:11:08 AM
Why does B43 try to catch this ball.  If he bats the ball down or outbounds behind him then he makes this call easy for everybody.

I blame B43 for screwing up this play.  :)

A similar NFL play happened last year (Lions?). The defender batted down the ball and it was caught by a player laying on the ground. There is no sure way to coach this play.
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Re: You make the call
« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2012, 01:11:21 PM »
Bat the @ (&@&@ thing outta bounds.
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Offline VALJ

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Re: You make the call
« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2012, 01:31:06 PM »
Quote from: AFSST on September 26, 2012, 04:59:02 PM
I think I'd flag the offensive team for slashing and give the defense a corner kick...

Don't forget declaring the batter out for batting out of turn.  Wouldn't this be a jump ball, though?  :D
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Offline bbeagle

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Re: You make the call
« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2012, 01:48:53 PM »
Quote from: VALJ on September 27, 2012, 01:31:06 PM
Don't forget declaring the batter out for batting out of turn.  Wouldn't this be a jump ball, though?  :D

I was so hoping for a fair-catch field goal try to win a game when the replacement referees were officiating. THAT would have REALLY incited the crowds! lol (It _IS_ legal in the NFL as well as NFHS, just not NCAA)

Especially if the option to have the free kick again after a live ball foul on 1st down is possible in the NFL. Imagine this. :04 left after Team A fair catches a punt on the A40. They throw a hail mary as time expires. Pass interference called at the B20. Spot Foul. Team A elects a free-kick fieldgoal from the B20 now.


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Offline Tom.OH

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Re: You make the call
« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2012, 02:06:18 PM »
Quote from: VALJ on September 27, 2012, 01:31:06 PM
Don't forget declaring the batter out for batting out of turn.  Wouldn't this be a jump ball, though?  :D

Now remember, if the ball goes oob, we will have a one stroke penalty...
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Re: You make the call
« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2012, 03:21:36 PM »
Quote from: Tom.OH on September 27, 2012, 02:06:18 PM
Now remember, if the ball goes oob, we will have a one stroke penalty...

Don't forget loss of down....ooops, I mean loss of distance with the stroke penalty tiphat:
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Offline VALJ

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Re: You make the call
« Reply #19 on: September 27, 2012, 03:51:48 PM »
And it's time to bring in the reliever from the bullpen, to pitch to the goalie.
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