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Offline SCHSref

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Illegal touching
« on: June 20, 2023, 06:37:20 AM »
Even with the rule 10 changes, should illegal touching be a spot foul behind the LOS or a previous spot enforcement?

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Offline Brian26

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Re: Illegal touching
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2023, 07:58:56 AM »
Illegal touching is in 10-4-2b for loose ball plays described in 10-3-1, it's  enforced from previous spot which hasn't changed.
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Re: Illegal touching
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2023, 08:18:10 AM »
Quote from: Brian26 on June 20, 2023, 07:58:56 AM
Illegal touching is in 10-4-2b for loose ball plays described in 10-3-1, it's  enforced from previous spot which hasn't changed.

But 10-4-2b is the same as last year (no shading on the rule).  Last year Illegal touching was enforced all but one at the spot of the foul.
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Re: Illegal touching
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2023, 08:49:47 AM »
Quote from: bossman72 on June 20, 2023, 08:18:10 AM
But 10-4-2b is the same as last year (no shading on the rule).  Last year Illegal touching was enforced all but one at the spot of the foul.

I thought with new changes all spot fouls are now listed in 10-4-4?
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Offline HLinNC

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Re: Illegal touching
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2023, 10:20:58 AM »
I don't have the 2023 rulebooks yet, but the Summary of Penalties chart in Reddings indicates that Illegal Touching has changed to previous spot; the PS section being "grayed".  Previously it was ABO but honestly, I think this one got screwed up as previous spot a lot.
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Offline Ralph Damren

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Re: Illegal touching
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2023, 12:22:23 PM »
In 2006, we (Maine) ran an experimental rule reducing OPI w/LOD to IR as this often was the case of a wide-out unintentionally lining up on the LOS and covering the TE. If the TE ran a pass pattern and touched a forward pass it was OPI. I felt it was an over kill. There was also a proposal on the docket to turn a forward pass that is grabbed/muffed/ batted by an IR behind LOS as illegal touching instead of IFP. We compromised (sorta' like we see every day in politics  :P ) and made both illegal touching. Being a loose ball play, with previous spot enforcement, if the IR was beyond LOS the enforcement was previous spot. If the IR was behind the LOS , the spot of the foul would become the enforcement spot under the 'all-but-one'.

The list of exceptions do not list illegal touching. I assume that means the enforcement spot to be the previous spot.
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Re: Illegal touching
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2023, 06:51:06 PM »
Quote from: HLinNC on June 20, 2023, 10:20:58 AM
I don't have the 2023 rulebooks yet, but the Summary of Penalties chart in Reddings indicates that Illegal Touching has changed to previous spot; the PS section being "grayed".  Previously it was ABO but honestly, I think this one got screwed up as previous spot a lot.

You’ve got your Redding’s? The website still shows mine as “awaiting fulfillment”
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Offline bossman72

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Re: Illegal touching
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2023, 08:17:40 PM »
Quote from: Ralph Damren on June 20, 2023, 12:22:23 PM
In 2006, we (Maine) ran an experimental rule reducing OPI w/LOD to IR as this often was the case of a wide-out unintentionally lining up on the LOS and covering the TE. If the TE ran a pass pattern and touched a forward pass it was OPI. I felt it was an over kill. There was also a proposal on the docket to turn a forward pass that is grabbed/muffed/ batted by an IR behind LOS as illegal touching instead of IFP. We compromised (sorta' like we see every day in politics  :P ) and made both illegal touching. Being a loose ball play, with previous spot enforcement, if the IR was beyond LOS the enforcement was previous spot. If the IR was behind the LOS , the spot of the foul would become the enforcement spot under the 'all-but-one'.

The list of exceptions do not list illegal touching. I assume that means the enforcement spot to be the previous spot.

So am I to assume that all-but-one is gone?
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Re: Illegal touching
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2023, 08:58:18 PM »
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You’ve got your Redding’s? The website still shows mine as “awaiting fulfillment”

About a week ago, I think.

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Offline CalhounLJ

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Re: Illegal touching
« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2023, 12:49:27 PM »
Quote from: bossman72 on June 20, 2023, 08:18:10 AM
But 10-4-2b is the same as last year (no shading on the rule).  Last year Illegal touching was enforced all but one at the spot of the foul.
Illegal touching has always been ABO. Basic spot is previous spot, foul behind basic spot enforced from spot of foul.


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Re: Illegal touching
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2023, 09:06:34 PM »
Quote from: CalhounLJ on July 12, 2023, 12:49:27 PM
Illegal touching has always been ABO. Basic spot is previous spot, foul behind basic spot enforced from spot of foul.


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I think they got rid of all but one though...
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Offline Ralph Damren

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Re: Illegal touching
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2023, 04:27:35 AM »
The 'All-But-One' is done. The victim of our rule change, as a foul by A behind the LOS doesn't fit as the enforcement spot is previous spot. It should be fun teaching the new laundry list we now have.
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Re: Illegal touching
« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2023, 05:58:05 AM »
Quote from: bossman72 on July 12, 2023, 09:06:34 PM
I think they got rid of all but one though...
Understand. I was speaking in past tense. Probably should have said “used to be.”  I really hate that ABO is gone. Sure made things simple.


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Re: Illegal touching
« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2023, 07:28:32 AM »
Quote from: CalhounLJ on July 13, 2023, 05:58:05 AM
Understand. I was speaking in past tense. Probably should have said “used to be.”  I really hate that ABO is gone. Sure made things simple.


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Hey Ralph, any insight on Why, ABO was eliminated?  It didn't seem to have been broken, nor needed fixing.
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