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Offline ras10jr

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Legal or not?
« on: October 10, 2023, 04:09:57 PM »
Need some help on a play.

Following their touchdown, team A lines up in a swinging gate for the try. #80 takes the
position of a snapper with his hand(s) on the ball in the center of the field while #5 and #10 take
the normal position of a holder and a kicker establishing a scrimmage kick formation. There are
5 offensive teammates numbered 50-79 lined up to #80’s left near the numbers on the field and
legally on their line of scrimmage plus #85 on the left end of the line of scrimmage. #22 and
#25 are lined up as backs also to the left near the field numbers. Following the ready, the 8
offensive players near the field numbers legally shift much closer to the center of the field but
all 8 are still to the left of #80, #5 and #10 and legally set. Holder #5 has his knee(s) on the
ground and #10 is in position to kick. Prior to the snap, #10 goes in legal motion straight to his
right away from the rest of his teammates and after several steps, the ball is snapped directly to
the holder. #80, #22, #25 and #10 then go directly into B’s end zone as #5 rises and reverses out
to his right looking for 1 of these 4 eligible receivers. He does throw a legal, forward pass to
#80 who catches the pass for a successful 2 point try. This is in fact a legal and successful try.
True or False???


      85 51 52 53 67 75                       80
              22      25

                                                         5
                                                    10

I believe this is legal, unless the motion by 10(kicker) means this isn't a legal scrimmage kick formation, therefore when 5 receives the snap with knee on ground he is down.  Any help would be appreciated.
« Last Edit: October 10, 2023, 04:11:48 PM by ras10jr »

Offline Kalle

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Re: Legal or not?
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2023, 05:37:02 AM »
NCAA rules: As I understand your description it is not obvious that a kick could be made when the holder catches the snap as there is no longer a kicker. Thus, if the holder has his/her knee on the ground, the ball will be dead. Rule 4-1-3-b-Exception.

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Re: Legal or not?
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2023, 06:11:40 AM »
For NFHS, in this did the holder's knee stay on the ground when he received the snap?  If so, then it was dead when the holder caught it since there was no player in position to kick it.

Normally these tricks are done with the holder's knee NOT on the ground.

I note you asked this question in the thread of another post.  If you have specific NFHS rules questions, please post them on the NFHS board instead of General Discussion.
« Last Edit: October 11, 2023, 07:50:12 AM by HLinNC »