Author Topic: Fall Football and Dr. Fauci (Read 34109 times)

ElvisLives · « **Reply #125 on:** July 21, 2020, 01:41:39 PM »

Quote from: Ralph Damren on July 21, 2020, 09:52:54 AM

FOOTBALL IN MAINE !!!!

Every college football season (7)in Maine has been cancelled . Every high school season (74) is on . The Maine Principals Association announced yesterday that there will be a season with some modifications....

(1) Season delayed by 2 weeks:
(2) Schedules revamped to play schools in same region regardless of size;
(3) post-season and regular season both shortened by 2 weeks;
(4) coaches masks required - officials masks optional;
(5) only one captain at coin toss - no handshakes;
(6) team boxes extended to 10 yd. lines, coaches can only travel to 25;

…..but it's FOOTBALL !!

All right! Go, you Maine-erds. So far, we (Texas) are right there with ya. 5A / 6A starts delayed until late September, but 1A thru 4A are on schedule for first games late August. Playoffs not shortened. 5A-6A Championships will be in January, for the first time. Ditto on masks, coin toss captains (nothing said about handshakes), and team boxes.

I was thinking the only football in the country in September would be here in Texas, but, it looks like the far, great, northeast, too!

Got my Acme Thunderer ready to go.

ElvisLives · « **Reply #126 on:** July 21, 2020, 03:08:44 PM »

Just gotta report this. You can believe it or not. I don't care.
A family friend is a nurse. She and 4 other "asymptomatic" fellow nurses procured the COVID-19 test kits that they had been using with local citizens. 3 actually took the test. 2 only opened the kits and made it look as though they had been used. All five were sent for results. All five came back "positive."

You can decide for yourself how accurate the statistics are.

toma · « **Reply #127 on:** July 22, 2020, 08:00:34 AM »

Mass to delay the starting of all fall sports to September 14, the first football game could be October 1 or 2nd.
that all depends on the governor approval. There's still the possibility no football in the fall.

Getting Fat · « **Reply #128 on:** July 22, 2020, 08:36:14 AM »

Quote from: ElvisLives on July 21, 2020, 03:08:44 PM

Just gotta report this. You can believe it or not. I don't care.
A family friend is a nurse. She and 4 other "asymptomatic" fellow nurses procured the COVID-19 test kits that they had been using with local citizens. 3 actually took the test. 2 only opened the kits and made it look as though they had been used. All five were sent for results. All five came back "positive."

You can decide for yourself how accurate the statistics are.

Really Elvis? A family friend.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jul/02/facebook-posts/fact-checking-claims-about-nurses-getting-nothing-/

ElvisLives · « **Reply #129 on:** July 22, 2020, 09:18:54 AM »

Yes. A family friend. Like I said, you can believe it or not. No one is saying the tests are being manipulated. They just ain't accurate. Ask Jimmie Johnson.

JasonTX · « **Reply #130 on:** July 22, 2020, 10:07:13 AM »

A lady here in town had some symptoms. She calls the ER and they instruct her on how to drive into the parking to receive further instruction. They come out and she fill out the paperwork listing her symptoms. They instruct her to wait and they'd come back to administer the test. After about 30 mins she said she started to feel better and got tired of waiting so she just drove off. A week later they call her to report that she tested positive. She never got tested. We have 3 other cases on our count from people who were in West Texas for three months. Never came home to expose anyone and didn't get infected here. All they had was a mailing address here but yet we got credit.

bbeagle · « **Reply #131 on:** July 23, 2020, 11:59:45 AM »

Quote from: JasonTX on July 22, 2020, 10:07:13 AM

We have 3 other cases on our count from people who were in West Texas for three months. Never came home to expose anyone and didn't get infected here. All they had was a mailing address here but yet we got credit.

You'll always get stories about things going wrong. As long as this is not the norm, just a few isolated incidents, so what? The main thing is to look at the hospitalizations and deaths. If those are increasing, THEN there is a huge problem. These lag 2-3 weeks behind the cases. It seems that the increasing cases are proving to be true indictors in Texas, Florida, and most of the south.

Europe is opening up, with movie theaters, bars, outdoor events (even full stadiums in New Zealand). If the entire America (and Trump) would have taken this covid thing seriously, we could all be fine now. But we aren't because of lack of leadership outside the governors like Cuomo in NY.

JasonTX · « **Reply #132 on:** July 23, 2020, 01:35:50 PM »

Quote from: bbeagle on July 23, 2020, 11:59:45 AM

If the entire America (and Trump) would have taken this covid thing seriously, we could all be fine now. But we aren't because of lack of leadership outside the governors like Cuomo in NY.

Wasn't it the almighty leader Pelosi and Cuomo saying that it was perfectly safe to mingle about back in February. I expect people trusted them. Then we saw the blowup. The impeachment hoax is why we are here. In January it should have been all hands on deck but instead we were being told to go travel the country. That was a whole month after Trump sounded the alarm but nobody took him serious. Seeing how Pelosi and others took things and even accused him of trying to create a distraction of the public away from the impeachment, why should have we done anything different with Coronavirus?

HLinNC · « **Reply #133 on:** July 23, 2020, 02:02:13 PM »

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But we aren't because of lack of leadership outside the governors like Cuomo in NY.

The same "leadership" whose policies forced the hospitalized elderly nursing home patients back into the COVID brew to die?

I guess that's one way to cut expenses.

ElvisLives · « **Reply #134 on:** July 23, 2020, 02:20:03 PM »

Fauci is to throw out the first pitch at a MLB game tonight. I'm sure it will be reported as a strike, even if it bounces to the plate (area).

Etref · « **Reply #135 on:** July 23, 2020, 03:42:50 PM »

Quote from: bbeagle on July 23, 2020, 11:59:45 AM

You'll always get stories about things going wrong. As long as this is not the norm, just a few isolated incidents, so what? The main thing is to look at the hospitalizations and deaths. If those are increasing, THEN there is a huge problem. These lag 2-3 weeks behind the cases. It seems that the increasing cases are proving to be true indictors in Texas, Florida, and most of the south.

Europe is opening up, with movie theaters, bars, outdoor events (even full stadiums in New Zealand). If the entire America (and Trump) would have taken this covid thing seriously, we could all be fine now. But we aren't because of lack of leadership outside the governors like Cuomo in NY.

Well there is the stupidest thing I will read today!

bama_stripes · « **Reply #136 on:** July 23, 2020, 04:13:45 PM »

Alabama high schools to play as scheduled. Time-outs lengthened to two minutes. One captain per team at coin toss.

ElvisLives · « **Reply #137 on:** July 23, 2020, 04:22:23 PM »

The U.S.A. was founded on the principles of individual liberty and freedom. People are free to make their own free-will choices regarding their health and welfare. Just like people are free to assemble to express their support for, or opposition to, political issues, they are free to assemble to enjoy business or social activities. Everyone I know was willing to voluntarily and temporarily suspend that right, until such time as we, as a country, understood COVID 19, I.e., how it is transmitted, it’s effects, and how to survive it. We have known those things for many weeks, now. Those that choose to remain sequestered should absolutely do that, for as long as they choose. And those that choose to accept any risks associated with resumption of normal life activities should absolutely be allowed to do that. Both groups should be allowed to go their own way, and suffer the consequences and/or enjoy the benefits that their choices bring to them. And no one should expect any further government assistance or intervention.
And therein run lays the problem.
Since 1776, the freedoms and liberties of citizens of the U.S.A. have been slowly, buy surely, eroded. And there are extremists that want to see those freedoms and liberties eroded to the point of totalitarian socialist governmental control. We see that every day, when political candidates and ‘activists’ call for even greater regulation on practically every aspect of life, including the ability to assemble (unless it is in support of the socialist agenda, then, please, feel free to gather, riot, loot, and wantonly destroy the property of others).
I, for one, am absolutely willing to voluntarily practice certain medical safety procedures, at sensible and appropriate times and places. But, I willfully accept the risk of assembling to participate in a sporting event, as a competitor, spectator, or official. Those that fear their likewise participation will put them at an unacceptable risk are free to choose not to participate. Very simple.
Europeans don’t have the level of freedoms and liberties we have (or, are supposed to have, anyway) and that’s is what separates the. U.S.A. from other countries. Maybe - a very questionable maybe - Europeans have been more successful in slowing the spread of COVID 19. We’ll never truly know, because their statistics are suspect, at best.
I’ll stay here, continue to vote for candidates that will protect our freedoms and liberties, will let me keep (most of) what I earn, and will support my desire to enjoy life as I choose.
Stay indoors and isolated, if you choose. I won’t bother you. Move to Europe, Central America, Asia - wherever you choose (I’ll help you pack - just give up your citizenship and don’t try to come back).

Time for football.

Huddlehut · « **Reply #138 on:** July 23, 2020, 08:08:39 PM »

Cuomo and leadership in the same sentence? You've got to be kidding!!!
What he did with the elderly and the nursing homes is criminal!

Punter · « **Reply #139 on:** July 24, 2020, 07:56:24 AM »

I do not know why any of us try because we are all just too polarized on politics. I am going to approach this as a debate coach/official as opposed to giving opinion as much as I can. I will give more opinion in my closing.

1. Facts rule the day. I do not see too many facts on the Let’s open and do things immediately side of the debate. I do see a bunch of unsubstantiated opinion. In a debate, opinion without foundation does not score points

2. I see logical fallacies. For example bringing up elderly deaths (which is certainly an issue but should be a debate of its own) is a clear example of a “red herring” fallacy. This has nothing to do with the point that the Northeast has flattened the curve, and the problem is now located elsewhere. The argument here is that the curve was flattened by the population doing as they were advised by the health experts under the leadership of the government officials. The current outbreak centers should follow this model is the argument. I have not really seen a counter argument. Something that I have noticed the media these days like to use logical fallacies when they have experts commenting and the hosts of the shows themselves. We should be on the lookout for this.

3. Someone said that the President was blowing alarm bells early. This statement needs foundation. The evidence clearly shows the contrary. I would like to see counter evidence or the argument falls flat

https://youtu.be/2eB_xCk5ABw

4. The President’s adviser early on admitted that the President relies on alternative facts which can be demonstrated easily by the sharpie incident with the hurricane. The President makes up facts to suit him. Is this who we need to lead a governmental response to a pandemic? There is a truism that someone who is a demonstrated teller of falsehoods can be disregarded on future incidents.

5. Now for football. How can football possibly start safely in the areas that are now hot spots such as Florida and Texas? There really is no logic to this and the argument that people should be allowed to do what they want falls flat in a pandemic because the actions of these few effect everyone else through spread. The evidence clearly shows that the more social contact people have the easier it is to spread the virus. I can cite many experts to verify this and the flattening of the curve in the Northeast supports it. Where is the counter evidence.

Finally, yes you can have your own opinions, but if you share them and want to try to influence others, those opinions should be grounded in facts. That is what the country is founded on. We need an informed electorate, who looks at things objectively, and comes to a reasoned opinion. My final challenge is for anyone to post a video or foundation for the statement that the President was sounding “alarm bells” early. The biggest threat to democracy and to beating this pandemic is listening and accepting “gaslighting” from our leaders.

JasonTX · « **Reply #140 on:** July 24, 2020, 10:06:37 AM »

Quote from: Punter on July 24, 2020, 07:56:24 AM

2. I see logical fallacies. For exam
Finally, yes you can have your own opinions, but if you share them and want to try to influence others, those opinions should be grounded in facts. That is what the country is founded on. We need an informed electorate, who looks at things objectively, and comes to a reasoned opinion. My final challenge is for anyone to post a video or foundation for the statement that the President was sounding “alarm bells” early. The biggest threat to democracy and to beating this pandemic is listening and accepting “gaslighting” from our leaders.

Surely you aren't suggesting Joe Biden is the answer? Go watch the State of the Union. Trump talked about the virus. Hindsight is 20/20. You are blaming him for something that was new and for something we had no idea would be spreading, supposedly, like a wild fire. Our first known cases were quickly isolated and everyone who spoke in public view said it was contained. If we knew then what we know now, sure things could have been done different. But we didn't and nobody did. Watch every politician who was blabbing on TV. Trump would have been hammered if he would have locked the country down when those first cases were identified. February 29 Pelosi was on national TV telling people the virus was nothing to worry about. Trump was being accused of being a racist for stopping travel. It was perfectly safe to go mingle in Chinatown. To Pelosi's credit she didn't know either how bad it was. Trump didn't either. At that time it was perfectly safe to mingle based upon what we knew at the time. If Trump was a democrat you would not be on here bashing him. That is fact.

Punter · « **Reply #141 on:** July 24, 2020, 10:19:44 AM »

Again, you made a specific comment that Trump was ringing “alarm bells.” Can you provide one specific example of him doing that at the time the virus was emerging?

What is your foundation for that comment? Diverting and talking about Biden and Pelosi does not advance your argument, or provide foundation for it.

ETXZebra · « **Reply #142 on:** July 24, 2020, 10:37:11 AM »

How about the China travel ban on January 31, which the Democrats and media called unnecessary and xenophobic.

Punter · « **Reply #143 on:** July 24, 2020, 11:00:57 AM »

That is a fair example but not a comment made directly by the President that would indicate “alarm bells.” During this period, he was still making comments minimizing the effects of the virus as demonstrated previously. The travel ban is sort of a contradiction and does not make sense in light of his other comments and actions. This is one example of something he did and one that he keeps mentioning. Are there any other examples besides travel bans? If he would have had these bans in conjunction with getting the country ready for a pandemic, this example would be more convincing.

There is some truth to no one knew the pandemic was coming or how bad it would become. However, it really does not make sense that he disbanded a government body that was directly responsible for pandemic response. He later denied that he was directly responsible for this, but he is the President so the “buck stops” with him which as an aside is another issue that I personally have with him. I have never heard him take personal responsibility for any action of the government. He is very good at pointing out how great he is, but is very bad at seeing any shortcomings.

Bubba Ump · « **Reply #144 on:** July 24, 2020, 11:13:01 AM »

Not voting for Trump or Biden. However, I live in California where my vote really doesn't matter. The facts are what ever gets the best T V ratings and I have the ability to turn the T V off. Football here is starting in January and runs into April, with a March start for the Basketball and Baseball season (which most of us work at least two of the sports). I ref football, ($1,800 per season) and Basketball ($6,000 per season) and I coach Golf which starts in March... There is already a shortage of officials and no way to pull this off. We are also facing huge cutbacks in school funding and contracts with officials will certainly be renegotiated. BTY, I had the first pick in a 16 team fantasy baseball draft and after 3 months of research picked Juan Soto.

JasonTX · « **Reply #145 on:** July 24, 2020, 06:50:32 PM »

Quote from: Punter on July 24, 2020, 11:00:57 AM

However, it really does not make sense that he disbanded a government body that was directly responsible for pandemic response.

That is fake news. It was Obama who attempted to cut funding to it. Trump did not disband anything. He simply augmented it. When that fake news was going around the head of that agency even came out "shocked" that it was "disbanded" as he stated he was still working in the same office doing the same job. CNN quickly dumped that story.

Punter · « **Reply #146 on:** July 24, 2020, 07:05:12 PM »

You make a logical fallacy again. You come to a conclusion with no evidence (alleged certainty fallacy):

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-fire-pandemic-team/

If you do not like snopes, here is similar confirmation from Reuters (read the entire link):

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-trump-fired-pandemic-team/partly-false-claim-trump-fired-pandemic-response-team-in-2018-idUSKBN21C32M

I would like to see some foundation to your comment that President Obama attempted to defund the team that he created.

TexDoc · « **Reply #147 on:** July 24, 2020, 09:10:41 PM »

Quote from: JasonTX on July 24, 2020, 06:50:32 PM

That is fake news. It was Obama who attempted to cut funding to it. Trump did not disband anything. He simply augmented it. When that fake news was going around the head of that agency even came out "shocked" that it was "disbanded" as he stated he was still working in the same office doing the same job. CNN quickly dumped that story.

Jason, my buddy, please stop. Just let this one go. We are not here for a political debate.

Huddlehut · « **Reply #148 on:** July 25, 2020, 08:57:36 PM »

You can't reason with 'em, Jason...
Most all of them are too far gone.

bbeagle · « **Reply #149 on:** July 27, 2020, 11:11:29 AM »

Quote from: Huddlehut on July 23, 2020, 08:08:39 PM

Cuomo and leadership in the same sentence? You've got to be kidding!!!
What he did with the elderly and the nursing homes is criminal!

Please explain. Again you're taking right-wing fake news and treating it as real news.

This happened a dozen times: A nursing home patient had coronavirus and was removed from the home, treated at the hospital for 5-7 days then released back to the nursing home. When she got back, all of a sudden everyone got the virus and died....

Does it reason that the person who was originally infected in the nursing home magically got it all by herself, and never infected anyone else before being taken out of the nursing home to the hospital? No. That makes no sense.

Studies were found that putting the person back did NOT cause all the deaths. The covid-19 virus was originally brought in there by a nursing home worker. Remember, back then it was almost impossible to get a test - you simply couldn't test all nursing home employees when there were only around 400 tests available state wide.

The first patient with the worst symptoms was sent to the hospital, and back at the nursing home people slowly started to get sick, then there was an outbreak 7-10 days later, which is normal for covid-19. It doesn't make sense that when a patient is put back in the home, only 2 days later half the people there die.

Please pay attention to facts, and don't lie just because you hate one side and unconditionally love the other side.

(By the way the rate of people dying in nursing homes in NY is less than 40 other states)