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WHAT SANTA MAY HAVE FOR US.......
« on: December 22, 2021, 02:02:39 PM »
I value your opinions on these possible rule changes and often use some of your suggestions/arguments/feelings in deciding my AYUH or 'SPECT NOT.

(1) Team boxes could be extended for both teams (state's rights).
(2) Any official -not just R - can ask for a new ball.
(3) jersey #0 is OK.
(4) Sweatbands can be worn anywhere.
(5) Play cards can be worn anywhere.
(6) Team can burn TO to keep player with missing equipment in.
(7) Chop block = above & below waist ...not knee.
(8) Backward pass thrown OOB = clock starts on RFP
(9) Foul committed W/I last 2 min.= choice of starting on snap if penalty declined.
(10) Accepted penalty W/I last 2 min. = choice of 40" play clock.
(11) When B/R fouls = 40" play clock.
(12) A/K gives B/R fair opportunity to match the substitution if in hurry up/no huddle.
(13) On scrimmage kick formation, no R player over the snapper.
(14) Legal to dump pass if outside of FBZ & pass goes over the LOS.
(15) DPI = Auto first down.
(16) A holds behind LOS = previous spot.
(17) No more 5 yard face mask.
(18) More protection for pass receiver under 'defenseless player'.
(19) All A fouls except IFP or in A's end zone behind LOS = Previous Spot.

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« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2021, 08:41:08 PM »
(1) Team boxes could be extended for both teams (state's rights).  ---  Agree
(2) Any official -not just R - can ask for a new ball.  ---  Allow teams with competent ball boys to change any approved ball anytime
(3) jersey #0 is OK.  ---  Agree
(4) Sweatbands can be worn anywhere.  ---  Only on the arm/forearm
(5) Play cards can be worn anywhere.  ---  Agree
(6) Team can burn TO to keep player with missing equipment in.  ---  Vote no, they know what they are supposed to wear
(7) Chop block = above & below waist ...not knee.  ---  Agree, the waist is a good separator for High/Low
(8) Backward pass thrown OOB = clock starts on RFP  ---  Keep the game moving
(9) Foul committed W/I last 2 min.= choice of starting on snap if penalty declined.  ---  Agree
(10) Accepted penalty W/I last 2 min. = choice of 40" play clock.  ---  Only B/R fouls
(11) When B/R fouls = 40" play clock.  ---  Agree
(12) A/K gives B/R fair opportunity to match the substitution if in hurry up/no huddle.  ---  Agree
(13) On scrimmage kick formation, no R player over the snapper.  ---  Agree
(14) Legal to dump pass if outside of FBZ & pass goes over the LOS.  ---  Agree
(15) DPI = Auto first down.  ---  Agree
(16) A holds behind LOS = previous spot.  ---  Agree
(17) No more 5 yard face mask.  ---  Agree
(18) More protection for pass receiver under 'defenseless player'.  ---  Agree
(19) All A fouls except IFP or in A's end zone behind LOS = Previous Spot.  ---  Agree

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« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2021, 09:54:19 PM »
I value your opinions on these possible rule changes and often use some of your suggestions/arguments/feelings in deciding my AYUH or 'SPECT NOT.

(1) Team boxes could be extended for both teams (state's rights).
(2) Any official -not just R - can ask for a new ball.
(3) jersey #0 is OK.
(4) Sweatbands can be worn anywhere.
(5) Play cards can be worn anywhere.
(6) Team can burn TO to keep player with missing equipment in.
(7) Chop block = above & below waist ...not knee.
(8) Backward pass thrown OOB = clock starts on RFP
(9) Foul committed W/I last 2 min.= choice of starting on snap if penalty declined.
(10) Accepted penalty W/I last 2 min. = choice of 40" play clock.
(11) When B/R fouls = 40" play clock.
(12) A/K gives B/R fair opportunity to match the substitution if in hurry up/no huddle.
(13) On scrimmage kick formation, no R player over the snapper.
(14) Legal to dump pass if outside of FBZ & pass goes over the LOS.
(15) DPI = Auto first down.
(16) A holds behind LOS = previous spot.
(17) No more 5 yard face mask.
(18) More protection for pass receiver under 'defenseless player'.
(19) All A fouls except IFP or in A's end zone behind LOS = Previous Spot.

Thank you for taking the time to read and respond.

Assuming we're still referring to NFHS/Youth football rules (rather than trying to simply imitate/duplicate rules at higher (more mature) levels.

Consider changes for; 1, 6, 7, 8, 9 & 15.

Leave as is; 3, 4, 5, 10, 11, 12, 13, 17, 18, 19.

FORGET about changing; 14 & 16 or 18 (either of which open Pandora's box)

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« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2021, 11:03:07 PM »

(1) Team boxes could be extended for both teams (state's rights).    -  Yes
(2) Any official -not just R - can ask for a new ball.    -  Yes (we do this anyways)
(3) jersey #0 is OK.    -  Why not
(4) Sweatbands can be worn anywhere.    -  Not really a fan
(5) Play cards can be worn anywhere.    -  Sure
(6) Team can burn TO to keep player with missing equipment in.    -  Yes
(7) Chop block = above & below waist ...not knee.    -  Yes, makes sense
(8) Backward pass thrown OOB = clock starts on RFP    -  Yes, keeps things moving
(9) Foul committed W/I last 2 min.= choice of starting on snap if penalty declined.     -  Don't see the reason
(10) Accepted penalty W/I last 2 min. = choice of 40" play clock.    -  Not sure I'm a fan, may provide unfair advantage to team running a clock out
(11) When B/R fouls = 40" play clock.     -  This is just going to drag out the game, so no for me
(12) A/K gives B/R fair opportunity to match the substitution if in hurry up/no huddle.     -  If it's an issue, sure, but I just don't see this much in HS
(13) On scrimmage kick formation, no R player over the snapper.    -  Yes
(14) Legal to dump pass if outside of FBZ & pass goes over the LOS.     -  Not personally a fan, but can live with it for consistency across books and less arguments
(15) DPI = Auto first down.     -  Yes
(16) A holds behind LOS = previous spot.    -  Yes please - probably the one I want most
(17) No more 5 yard face mask.    -  Yes, rare anyways, no real risk if no turn. Gets rid of the question of grab or stiffarm
(18) More protection for pass receiver under 'defenseless player'.     -  Not sure what this is - it's already a PF
(19) All A fouls except IFP or in A's end zone behind LOS = Previous Spot.     -  Generally like this but worry if "all except IFP" misses something (say kicking a fumble away from a B player about to recover). Easier to remember "all but IFP" for simplicity though.



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« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2021, 06:08:02 AM »
I value your opinions on these possible rule changes and often use some of your suggestions/arguments/feelings in deciding my AYUH or 'SPECT NOT.

(1) Team boxes could be extended for both teams (state's rights).  Yes.
(2) Any official can ask for a new ball.  Yes.  Doesn't everybody do that already?
(3) jersey #0 is OK.  Yes.
(4) Sweatbands can be worn anywhere.  Yes, anywhere on the arm.
(5) Play cards can be worn anywhere.  Yes.  Never understood this anyway.
(6) Team can burn TO to keep player with missing equipment in.  Yes, either way the coach is motivated to fix the problem
(7) Chop block = above & below waist ...not knee.No.  No player is in danger of being injured by being blocked on the hip and in the chest at the same time.
(8) Backward pass thrown OOB = clock starts on RFP.   No, is this a problem?.
(9) Foul committed W/I last 2 min.= choice of starting on snap if penalty declined.  No.
(10) Accepted penalty W/I last 2 min. = choice of 40" play clock.  No.
(11) When B/R fouls = 40" play clock.No.
(12) A/K gives B/R fair opportunity to match the substitution if in hurry up/no huddle.A very strong no..
(13) On scrimmage kick formation, no R player over the snapper.No.
(14) Legal to dump pass if outside of FBZ & pass goes over the LOS.Please no.  Our rule is better.
(15) DPI = Auto first down.  Yes.
(16) A holds behind LOS = previous spot.  Yes.
(17) No more 5 yard face mask.  Yes.
(18) More protection for pass receiver under 'defenseless player'.  No.
(19) All A fouls except IFP or in A's end zone behind LOS = Previous Spot.No.

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« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2021, 07:41:09 AM »
A deeper explanation.....

#8,,,Now a backward pass OOB would start the clock on snap. It is not a foul even if done intentionally to stop the clock. This would start backward pass OOB on RFP.
#9...Now penalty has to be accepted to allow snap option. This would allow the offended team to decline the penalty and still have snap option.
       EXAMPLE: B has 12 in @ snap (IP) , A runs for 30, A could decline the penalty and still have snap option.
#16 & 18... both deal with A fouls behind LOS, only one will be voted on.

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« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2021, 08:02:14 AM »
As an outsider looking in to NFHS rules, it appears they are trying to catch up to NCAA in some aspects that are not safety related. NCAA changed or tweaked these rules over several years, a couple at a time or editorial changes.
 Trying to do everything at once can be a shock, almost like When Mass switched from NCAA to NFHS.
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« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2021, 10:17:29 AM »
I value your opinions on these possible rule changes and often use some of your suggestions/arguments/feelings in deciding my AYUH or 'SPECT NOT.

(1) Team boxes could be extended for both teams (state's rights).
(2) Any official -not just R - can ask for a new ball.
(3) jersey #0 is OK.
(4) Sweatbands can be worn anywhere.
(5) Play cards can be worn anywhere.
(6) Team can burn TO to keep player with missing equipment in.
(7) Chop block = above & below waist ...not knee.
(8) Backward pass thrown OOB = clock starts on RFP
(9) Foul committed W/I last 2 min.= choice of starting on snap if penalty declined.
(10) Accepted penalty W/I last 2 min. = choice of 40" play clock.
(11) When B/R fouls = 40" play clock.
(12) A/K gives B/R fair opportunity to match the substitution if in hurry up/no huddle.
(13) On scrimmage kick formation, no R player over the snapper.
(14) Legal to dump pass if outside of FBZ & pass goes over the LOS.
(15) DPI = Auto first down.
(16) A holds behind LOS = previous spot.
(17) No more 5 yard face mask.
(18) More protection for pass receiver under 'defenseless player'.
(19) All A fouls except IFP or in A's end zone behind LOS = Previous Spot.

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1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. No, only on arm/forearm
5. No, only on arm.
6. No.
7. Yes
8 Yes
9. Yes
10. Yes
11. Yes
12 Yes
13-19 Yes

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Re: WHAT SANTA MAY HAVE FOR US.......
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2021, 01:51:08 PM »
As an outsider looking in to NFHS rules, it appears they are trying to catch up to NCAA in some aspects that are not safety related. NCAA changed or tweaked these rules over several years, a couple at a time or editorial changes.
 Trying to do everything at once can be a shock, almost like When Mass switched from NCAA to NFHS.
If this year follows the past, Etref, only a few will pass. For a proposed rule to become a new rule, it first has to be approved by a sub-committee after a lengthy debate. Those proposals then go the entire rules committee where 2/3 approval is necessary. Some of the proposals that fail will return in a future year. I feel the procedure is a fair one ,with everyone heard.

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« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2021, 02:12:34 PM »
(1) Team boxes could be extended for both teams (state's rights).  We did this as a Covid response in '20 nee' Spring 21 but reverted.   I see no need for it.  Most players still congregated at midfield and/or around the coaches

(2) Any official -not just R - can ask for a new ball.  That's pretty much been U's job here for years.  Most of R's won't touch them

(3) jersey #0 is OK. Meh

(4) Sweatbands can be worn anywhere.  Sure, why not.

(5) Play cards can be worn anywhere.  Ditto

(6) Team can burn TO to keep player with missing equipment in.  Need to revert back to the old rule.  Coaches pay no attention to what their players are wearing

(7) Chop block = above & below waist ...not knee.  Sure

(8) Backward pass thrown OOB = clock starts on RFP  Only if an ordinary fumble is also.  Otherwise its another, GASP, exception.

(9) Foul committed W/I last 2 min.= choice of starting on snap if penalty declined.  Nope, take it all or none.

(10) Accepted penalty W/I last 2 min. = choice of 40" play clock.  Damn, someone is loving exceptions.

(11) When B/R fouls = 40" play clock.  Going to have to put on a clinic for PCO's it looks like.

(12) A/K gives B/R fair opportunity to match the substitution if in hurry up/no huddle.  Let's just switch to NCAA at this point

(13) On scrimmage kick formation, no R player over the snapper.  OK

(14) Legal to dump pass if outside of FBZ & pass goes over the LOS.  FBZ disintegrates after the ball leaves. We're going to resurrect it?  Good luck U's.  I'll be downfield with my trip receivers.

(15) DPI = Auto first down.  Well the coaches would be right again.
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(16) A holds behind LOS = previous spot.  OK

(17) No more 5 yard face mask.  Mmmmmm

(18) More protection for pass receiver under 'defenseless player'.  How, what?

(19) All A fouls except IFP or in A's end zone behind LOS = Previous Spot.  Here comes the exceptions again.

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« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2021, 05:24:27 PM »
I value your opinions on these possible rule changes and often use some of your suggestions/arguments/feelings in deciding my AYUH or 'SPECT NOT.

(1) Team boxes could be extended for both teams (state's rights).
(2) Any official -not just R - can ask for a new ball.
(3) jersey #0 is OK.
(4) Sweatbands can be worn anywhere.
(5) Play cards can be worn anywhere.
(6) Team can burn TO to keep player with missing equipment in.
(7) Chop block = above & below waist ...not knee.
(8) Backward pass thrown OOB = clock starts on RFP
(9) Foul committed W/I last 2 min.= choice of starting on snap if penalty declined.
(10) Accepted penalty W/I last 2 min. = choice of 40" play clock.
(11) When B/R fouls = 40" play clock.
(12) A/K gives B/R fair opportunity to match the substitution if in hurry up/no huddle.
(13) On scrimmage kick formation, no R player over the snapper.
(14) Legal to dump pass if outside of FBZ & pass goes over the LOS.
(15) DPI = Auto first down.
(16) A holds behind LOS = previous spot.
(17) No more 5 yard face mask.
(18) More protection for pass receiver under 'defenseless player'.
(19) All A fouls except IFP or in A's end zone behind LOS = Previous Spot.

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1.  As stated before, it has been tried, but teams stay at or around mid-field anyway.
2.  Let teams change to ball every down if they wish.  Just do not delay.  The 40 second clock is still running.
3.  Why not.  Double zero if they want.
4.  They do it anyway.  Would keep the officials from being fashion police.
5.  They do it anyway.  See  #4.
6.  Why not. 
7.  OK
8.  No.  Referee now can enact 3-4-6.
9.  No.  An exception.
10. No.  See #9.
11. No.  See #9.
12. No!!!!
13. OK.
14. No.  See #9.
15. OK.
16. NO.
17. OK.
18. ????
19. NO!!!  See #9.

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« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2021, 08:40:20 PM »
(1) Team boxes could be extended for both teams (state's rights).
Meh, I don't think it's necessary.  Maybe do the 20 to keep it in line with college so fields don't have 2 sets of markings.
(2) Any official -not just R - can ask for a new ball.
Don't we do this already?  I wasn't even aware this was a rule.
(3) jersey #0 is OK.
I'm good with that.
(4) Sweatbands can be worn anywhere.
I'm good with that.  One less thing we have to worry about.
(5) Play cards can be worn anywhere.
See 4
(6) Team can burn TO to keep player with missing equipment in.
I'm good with that.  Would this include helmet off too?
(7) Chop block = above & below waist ...not knee.
Yes.  Below the waist.  I think that's how it's officiated anyway.
(8) Backward pass thrown OOB = clock starts on RFP
Unnecessary rule change for something that never happens.  In NCAA, if this is done to conserve time, it's considered an illegal pass and a foul.
(9) Foul committed W/I last 2 min.= choice of starting on snap if penalty declined.
No, since there's no advantage gained if you're declining the foul.  You're even resetting the PC to 25, so that's 15 less seconds the offense gets to burn.
(10) Accepted penalty W/I last 2 min. = choice of 40" play clock.
No.
(11) When B/R fouls = 40" play clock.
Why?
(12) A/K gives B/R fair opportunity to match the substitution if in hurry up/no huddle.
I'm ok with this, but it may be difficult to implement/explain.  Plus, high school doesn't put in sophisticated personnel packages like college.  Usually the best 11 stay out there the whole time.
(13) On scrimmage kick formation, no R player over the snapper.
No. Not necessary with roughing the snapper rule.  I really don't know why we did this in NCAA.
(14) Legal to dump pass if outside of FBZ & pass goes over the LOS.
I actually like the HS rule, although this would save us some headache since everyone thinks this is the rule.
(15) DPI = Auto first down.
Yes. Should have never left.
(16) A holds behind LOS = previous spot.
Yes, but that creates exceptions to all but one.  Then you have to add the exception to the exception and say that holds in the end zone are spot fouls and result in a safety if accepted.
(17) No more 5 yard face mask.
YES!  Hate those.
(18) More protection for pass receiver under 'defenseless player'.
No.  What more does he need that's not already there?
(19) All A fouls except IFP or in A's end zone behind LOS = Previous Spot.
No, you can't say "all".  What about the snap that goes over the punter's head and he illegally kicks it at the A5 out of bounds?  You want that to be previous spot?


One on my wishlist that hasn't been in my several documents of proposals:  Creation of "offside" as a foul on free kicks.  Unlike Encroachment, which is dead ball, Offside is live ball.  This prevents rekicks.  Along with that, make lining up with less than 4 on each side of the kicker a live ball foul (since it can be corrected until the kick) and also the same for starting your run up from behind 5 yards.  (You can technically come to a full stop and correct it before the kick).

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« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2021, 09:12:44 AM »
I value your opinions on these possible rule changes and often use some of your suggestions/arguments/feelings in deciding my AYUH or 'SPECT NOT.

(1) Team boxes could be extended for both teams (state's rights).  No thanks
(2) Any official -not just R - can ask for a new ball.  Yes
(3) jersey #0 is OK.  Kids would probably like this, so yes
(4) Sweatbands can be worn anywhere.  Except around the neck
(5) Play cards can be worn anywhere.  Yes
(6) Team can burn TO to keep player with missing equipment in.  Not in favor of this one...coach calls time out, "but we thought you sent him out for equipment not injury"
(7) Chop block = above & below waist ...not knee.  YES, YES, YES
(8) Backward pass thrown OOB = clock starts on RFP  I really like this, if coaches really new the rules late in a game they would tell their runners if you can't get to the sideline, throw it backwards OOB.
(9) Foul committed W/I last 2 min.= choice of starting on snap if penalty declined.  No
(10) Accepted penalty W/I last 2 min. = choice of 40" play clock.  For fouls by defense only
(11) When B/R fouls = 40" play clock.   In favor of B, with R there is usually a change of possession or new series so no one is really getting a timing advantage by the foul.
(12) A/K gives B/R fair opportunity to match the substitution if in hurry up/no huddle.  I wouldn't be opposed, but don't see it as a problem in HS as a lot of the schools we do don't try to match up personell, they just roll with their best 11.  May be more issues when larger high schools are involved with more personnel to work with.
(13) On scrimmage kick formation, no R player over the snapper.  No
(14) Legal to dump pass if outside of FBZ & pass goes over the LOS.  Yes
(15) DPI = Auto first down. Yes
(16) A holds behind LOS = previous spot.  Yes, but see #19
(17) No more 5 yard face mask.  If there was an option to pick only one of the 19, this would be the one.
(18) More protection for pass receiver under 'defenseless player'.  No, my opinion is they have enough protection, while safety is very important the defense should be allowed, within the rules, to make a play on the ball and/or the person trying to catch it.
(19) All A fouls except IFP or in A's end zone behind LOS = Previous Spot.  Yes, only because this would make it easier for us regarding penalty enforcement for fouls behind LOS, if it is only holds being enforced behind LOS, then I would be in more favor of letting the enforcements alone.

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« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2021, 10:31:21 AM »
"Sweatbands can be worn anywhere"  NO, an absolute "Pandora's box".  If we want to deal with the never ending ingenuity and creativity of the teenage mind (supported by the Sports fashion industry) this would be the way to do it.  It's too bad upper football levels don't eliminate this nonsense and help set a practical example for other levels.

Who knows, if that ever happens maybe they could focus on reducing/eliminating the endless "trash talking" and "look at me" gestures and preening after someone does something/anything they're actually supposed to do.

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« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2021, 01:58:44 PM »
I value your opinions on these possible rule changes and often use some of your suggestions/arguments/feelings in deciding my AYUH or 'SPECT NOT.

(1) Team boxes could be extended for both teams (state's rights). NO. Coaches already "stretch" the limits. Pretty soon they'll be at the G/L
(2) Any official -not just R - can ask for a new ball. No problem (most already do this)
(3) jersey #0 is OK. Why not..it matches a lot of players' IQ
(4) Sweatbands can be worn anywhere. Sure
(5) Play cards can be worn anywhere. OK ; as long as they're safely secured
(6) Team can burn TO to keep player with missing equipment in. NO!!
(7) Chop block = above & below waist ...not knee. NO. Would almost eliminate double-team blocks
(8) Backward pass thrown OOB = clock starts on RFP NO. If a team wants to waste a TO to save time, I'm OK with it
(9) Foul committed W/I last 2 min.= choice of starting on snap if penalty declined. As later note clarified, YES
(10) Accepted penalty W/I last 2 min. = choice of 40" play clock. NO
(11) When B/R fouls = 40" play clock. Only if player injury (as now)
(12) A/K gives B/R fair opportunity to match the substitution if in hurry up/no huddle. ABSO-FRIGGIN'-LUTELY
(13) On scrimmage kick formation, no R player over the snapper. OK
(14) Legal to dump pass if outside of FBZ & pass goes over the LOS. Nope
(15) DPI = Auto first down. No; but I would like to see DPI enforced as spot foul if it occurs under 15 yds from LOS
(16) A holds behind LOS = previous spot. Agree
(17) No more 5 yard face mask. No. Too many cheap 15-yarders are already being called
(18) More protection for pass receiver under 'defenseless player'. No need; already have any "tools" needed
(19) All A fouls except IFP or in A's end zone behind LOS = Previous Spot. Agree

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« Reply #15 on: December 24, 2021, 02:48:01 PM »
Thanks, guys, for all your responses and opinions . Our meeting isn't until mid-January, so please keep 'em coming. May you and yours all have an enjoyable CHRISTMAS EVE !
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Re: WHAT SANTA MAY HAVE FOR US.......
« Reply #16 on: December 24, 2021, 02:57:23 PM »
I value your opinions on these possible rule changes and often use some of your suggestions/arguments/feelings in deciding my AYUH or 'SPECT NOT.

(1) Team boxes could be extended for both teams (state's rights). NO
(2) Any official -not just R - can ask for a new ball. YES
(3) jersey #0 is OK. YES
(4) Sweatbands can be worn anywhere. NO
(5) Play cards can be worn anywhere. NO
(6) Team can burn TO to keep player with missing equipment in. YES
(7) Chop block = above & below waist ...not knee. YES
(8) Backward pass thrown OOB = clock starts on RFP YES
(9) Foul committed W/I last 2 min.= choice of starting on snap if penalty declined. YES
(10) Accepted penalty W/I last 2 min. = choice of 40" play clock. YES
(11) When B/R fouls = 40" play clock. YES
(12) A/K gives B/R fair opportunity to match the substitution if in hurry up/no huddle. NO
(13) On scrimmage kick formation, no R player over the snapper. YES
(14) Legal to dump pass if outside of FBZ & pass goes over the LOS. NO
(15) DPI = Auto first down. YES
(16) A holds behind LOS = previous spot. YES
(17) No more 5 yard face mask. NO
(18) More protection for pass receiver under 'defenseless player'. YES
(19) All A fouls except IFP or in A's end zone behind LOS = Previous Spot. YES

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Re: WHAT SANTA MAY HAVE FOR US.......
« Reply #17 on: December 24, 2021, 06:13:07 PM »
I value your opinions on these possible rule changes and often use some of your suggestions/arguments/feelings in deciding my AYUH or 'SPECT NOT.

(1) Team boxes could be extended for both teams (state's rights).
           YES
(2) Any official -not just R - can ask for a new ball.
           YES
(3) jersey #0 is OK.
            DO NOT CARE
(4) Sweatbands can be worn anywhere.
             YES
(5) Play cards can be worn anywhere.
              YES
(6) Team can burn TO to keep player with missing equipment in.
               YES
(7) Chop block = above & below waist ...not knee.
                YES
(8) Backward pass thrown OOB = clock starts on RFP
                 YES
(9) Foul committed W/I last 2 min.= choice of starting on snap if penalty declined.
                 YES
(10) Accepted penalty W/I last 2 min. = choice of 40" play clock.
                 YES
(11) When B/R fouls = 40" play clock.
                  YES
(12) A/K gives B/R fair opportunity to match the substitution if in hurry up/no huddle.
                NO.  NO.  NO. NO.
(13) On scrimmage kick formation, no R player over the snapper.
                DO NOT CARE
(14) Legal to dump pass if outside of FBZ & pass goes over the LOS.
                 NO
(15) DPI = Auto first down.
                  YES. YES. YES. YES.
(16) A holds behind LOS = previous spot.
                   NO. NO. NO. NO.
(17) No more 5 yard face mask.
                  YES
(18) More protection for pass receiver under 'defenseless player'.
                  NO. NO. NO. NO.
(19) All A fouls except IFP or in A's end zone behind LOS = Previous Spot.
                  NO. NO. NO. NO.

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Re: WHAT SANTA MAY HAVE FOR US.......
« Reply #18 on: December 24, 2021, 06:59:29 PM »
(1) Team boxes could be extended for both teams (state's rights).OK
(2) Any official -not just R - can ask for a new ball. OK
(3) jersey #0 is OK. YES
(4) Sweatbands can be worn anywhere. Yes - I’m tired of being a fashion cop.
(5) Play cards can be worn anywhere.  Wrist only.  Potential for injury if worn on belt.
(6) Team can burn TO to keep player with missing equipment in. OK
(7) Chop block = above & below waist ...not knee. OK
(8) Backward pass thrown OOB = clock starts on RFP. No. Solution in search of a problem.
(9) Foul committed W/I last 2 min.= choice of starting on snap if penalty declined. OK
(10) Accepted penalty W/I last 2 min. = choice of 40" play clock. No.
(11) When B/R fouls = 40" play clock. OK
(12) A/K gives B/R fair opportunity to match the substitution if in hurry up/no huddle. Hell No.  This would be a nightmare to administer in a 5-man crew.
(13) On scrimmage kick formation, no R player over the snapper. No.
(p14) Legal to dump pass if outside of FBZ & pass goes over the LOS. OK.
(15) DPI = Auto first down. YES YES YES
(16) A holds behind LOS = previous spot. Yes
(17) No more 5 yard face mask. OK
(18) More protection for pass receiver under 'defenseless player'. NO
(19) All A fouls except IFP or in A's end zone behind LOS = Previous Spot. NO

Thanks for the opportunity to provide our input, Ralph.

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Re: WHAT SANTA MAY HAVE FOR US.......
« Reply #19 on: December 25, 2021, 04:38:20 AM »
MERRY
CHRISTMAS

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Re: WHAT SANTA MAY HAVE FOR US.......
« Reply #20 on: December 25, 2021, 10:57:36 AM »
MERRY
CHRISTMAS


Back at you.  Appreciate your interest, involvement and common sense (baseball excluded).  Best wishes for a great 2022 and beyond.

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Re: WHAT SANTA MAY HAVE FOR US.......
« Reply #21 on: December 26, 2021, 08:03:38 AM »
(1) Team boxes could be extended for both teams (state's rights).  / Yes
(2) Any official -not just R - can ask for a new ball.    / Yes
(3) jersey #0 is OK.    / Yes
(4) Sweatbands can be worn anywhere.    / From elbow to wrist
(5) Play cards can be worn anywhere.  / Yes
(6) Team can burn TO to keep player with missing equipment in.    / No
(7) Chop block = above & below waist ...not knee.    / Yes
(8) Backward pass thrown OOB = clock starts on RFP    / Yes
(9) Foul committed W/I last 2 min.= choice of starting on snap if penalty declined.   / Yes
(10) Accepted penalty W/I last 2 min. = choice of 40" play clock.    / Yes
(11) When B/R fouls = 40" play clock.    / Let offended team choose
(12) A/K gives B/R fair opportunity to match the substitution if in hurry up/no huddle.   / Yes, but for all plays
(13) On scrimmage kick formation, no R player over the snapper.    / Yes
(14) Legal to dump pass if outside of FBZ & pass goes over the LOS.   / Yes
(15) DPI = Auto first down.   / No
(16) A holds behind LOS = previous spot.    / No
(17) No more 5 yard face mask.    / No, important incentive to keep hands away from mask
(18) More protection for pass receiver under 'defenseless player'.  / Yes
(19) All A fouls except IFP or in A's end zone behind LOS = Previous Spot.   / No
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« Reply #22 on: December 26, 2021, 10:31:35 AM »
Question to those opposed to #6 (burning a TO to buy a player with missing equipment back in) - I would think that these generally occur early in/at the beginning of a game; wouldn't it be more detrimental to make the team burn a TO, that they may really wish they had later, instead of one single play early on?

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« Reply #23 on: December 26, 2021, 11:01:58 AM »
Question to those opposed to #6 (burning a TO to buy a player with missing equipment back in) - I would think that these generally occur early in/at the beginning of a game; wouldn't it be more detrimental to make the team burn a TO, that they may really wish they had later, instead of one single play early on?
Which is kinda the point. Give them the option. If the to is not worth the player, have him or her leave and sit one. If they are in position to score or defend a score, and the player is essentially important, the to might be worth it. At least the option leaves it up to the team.


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Re: WHAT SANTA MAY HAVE FOR US.......
« Reply #24 on: December 26, 2021, 08:06:40 PM »
The exception to “once we send a player off for any reason, they have to sit out a down” isn’t worth it IMO.