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Offline Fatso

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Friday Night Lights - Clean Hands play.....
« on: October 09, 2023, 07:49:41 AM »
Pretty sure we got this right.....

Scrimmage kick formation - Illegal motion on K  ^flag at the snap.  During the return, R illegal block in the back  ^flag.  R had a long return and the IBB was near the end of the run at K-10 yard line.  R was given the choice to accept penalty on K which would be double foul offset and replay 4th.  Or, since R's foul was after change of possession (clean hands),  they could keep the ball by declining the foul on K,  which would leave them R 1/10 at K-20 after penalty enforcement.

Amirite?
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Offline Ralph Damren

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Re: Friday Night Lights - Clean Hands play.....
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2023, 07:53:56 AM »
AYUH, 'SPECT SO  yEs: :)
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Offline refjeff

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Re: Friday Night Lights - Clean Hands play.....
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2023, 03:42:33 PM »
R did not cheat to get the ball, (they got it with clean hands) so they get to keep it.

If they decline K's foul.  Just like you said.
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Re: Friday Night Lights - Clean Hands play.....
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2023, 06:36:54 AM »
Sounds like exactly the type of play the PSK rule was intended to address.
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Offline CalhounLJ

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Re: Friday Night Lights - Clean Hands play.....
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2023, 06:51:12 AM »
Quote from: bama_stripes on October 10, 2023, 06:36:54 AM
Sounds like exactly the type of play the PSK rule was intended to address.
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If I’m not mistaken, it was enforced like this long before psk. On a change of possession, the team in final possession can keep the ball by declining their opponents foul and having their foul enforced, provided their foul was after the change of possession. This is the rule that governs this play.

The foul by R was not psk because it occurred after the kick ended. If it had been psk, and the foul by R occurred before the kick ended, R could still keep the ball by declining Ks foul,but the enforcement spot for their foul would be where the kick ended, where R caught or recovered the kick.
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Offline Ralph Damren

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Re: Friday Night Lights - Clean Hands play.....
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2023, 07:14:26 AM »
PSK was put in to allow R to keep the ball if their foul occurred downfield before the kick had ended. Sometimes a bouncing kick is allowed to roll dead and during that time frame that we felt R should be allowed to keep the ball as K had given it up. PSK would also apply if R's foul occurred during the hang-time of a punt. The enforcement spot would be where the kick ended, unless R's foul ended behind that. This would differ form the OP as a foul after possession would be from the spot of the foul if behind of EOR.
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