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National Federation Discussion / Re: Arm Sleeves
« Last post by bama_stripes on April 26, 2024, 07:21:48 AM »
I had a kicker this past season who came in to try an XP barefooted.  After I sent him off, they lined up to go for two, having no other kicker available.
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National Federation Discussion / Re: Arm Sleeves
« Last post by Ralph Damren on April 26, 2024, 07:04:40 AM »
Sorry to distract, but I’ve always thought it strange that, in NCAA, socks are required, but shoes are not. Go figure.
For many schools in cold climates, going barefoot could cause frostbite . May I suggest LLBean's Artic Tundra Socks, as loosing a toe or two to frostbite could effect one's kicking ability.
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National Federation Discussion / Re: Arm Sleeves
« Last post by Ralph Damren on April 26, 2024, 06:45:34 AM »
The shoe rule was probably in response to Dick Kenney the barefooted kicker for Michigan State in the 60,s. He arrived at MSU in 1963 from Iolani HS. Honolulu Hawaii. Duffy Daugherty made him wear a shoe for his first year then relaxed his stance(pun intended). Question: Was Hawaii in the National Federation for HS sports in back then. Or were they skeered the might become a new fad?
Hawaii joined the NFHS in 1958, a year before statehood. Alaska joined in in 1951, before their statehood also in 1959. Useless knowledge : Hawaii became a state in August ,1959. Alaska became one before July 4th, The flag rule is if statehood occurred prior to 7/4 a star would be added, so the 'Alaska flag' flew 49 stars until 7/4/1960 when Hawaii's star was added.
The Gogolak brothers may have caused this short lived fad by kicking barefoot for the Giants and Redskins back then.
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Texas Topics / Re: PROP Approved Rules changes - now we wait for the UIL
« Last post by Zebra Watcher on April 25, 2024, 08:00:55 PM »
Whoa at ElvisLives.....I didn't know "@" would cause such emotional damage and trigger you by taking liberties with your user name. A thousand apologies.
The vast check list of items you fight for is quite impressive. Based on it, you provide a great service to the games with integrity in an efficient and constructive manner by going above and beyond what UIL asks. I can appreciate it along with coaches, players, and parents.
I won't pretend to know what you will and won't enforce but based on your checklist, you appear to enforce most rules. I am just going off the language towards the new uniform rule you have written about on here. I would imagine you would enforce this rule since it would go well with your esteemed checklist of services you provide. Writing incident reports on it when coaches get upset about will just be part of it. We are trying to turn a giant ship in the right direction and that will take a little bit of time, a few more incident reports, but will take all of us to do it.
I guess I am naive thinking this rule is a step in the right direction with coaches, UIL, and TASO. Only time will tell us this. The coaches too.
Again.. a thousand apologies for the "@" at ElvisLives
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National Federation Discussion / Re: Arm Sleeves
« Last post by ElvisLives on April 25, 2024, 05:00:07 PM »
Sorry to distract, but I’ve always thought it strange that, in NCAA, socks are required, but shoes are not. Go figure.

***Forgot to mention that there is an exception to mandatory socks for ‘barefooted kickers.’ Haven’t personally seen one since A&M’s Tony Franklin.
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National Federation Discussion / Re: Arm Sleeves
« Last post by sczeebra on April 25, 2024, 04:06:45 PM »
The shoe rule was probably in response to Dick Kenney the barefooted kicker for Michigan State in the 60,s. He arrived at MSU in 1963 from Iolani HS. Honolulu Hawaii. Duffy Daugherty made him wear a shoe for his first year then relaxed his stance(pun intended). Question: Was Hawaii in the National Federation for HS sports in back then. Or were they skeered the might become a new fad?
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Texas Topics / Re: PROP Approved Rules changes - now we wait for the UIL
« Last post by ElvisLives on April 25, 2024, 03:33:08 PM »
Hmmm. I thought it might be just a one-time typo, but there it is again. What the heck is with the "at" sign in front my (or anybody else's) user name?
Not my label. I'll thank you to refrain from taking liberties with my user name. (I can't speak for others, but they may not like it, either).

And don't pretend to know what I will, or won't, enforce. I'm the guy fighting to get everybody to call illegal shifts (or illegal shift that converts to a false start) when Team A fails to stop and PAUSE for one FULL second before the snap. I'm the guy fighting to keep coaches very near the sideline between downs, while giving signals, then OFF THE WHITE by the time the ball is snapped (end line to end line). I'm the guy fighting to keep defensive players from deliberately stepping on/kneeing/pushing up off the ball carrier after they make the tackle. I'm the guy that checks game balls every game. I'm the guy that insists on having a conference with BOTH clock operators before every game. EVERY GAME! I'm the guy that won't allow the game operations folks to switch the lights off (fully dark) after a score or other 'home' event (in keeping with the NCAA direction, to which the UIL has NOT taken exception). (It won't be me that makes headlines when some kid gets sent to the hospital after getting kicked in the nads, or shanked, or smashed in the head with a helmet while the lights are out, and all we see is the kid laying on the ground in agony (or worse) after the lights come back on.) I'm the guy that makes game management move the end zone camera from right behind the goal support to outside the limit line, and make all photographers and 'dignitaries' stay outside the limit lines THE ENTIRE GAME. I'm the guy that makes the bands not play when the opponent is about to put the ball in play.
The guys that we are talking about don't do that, to ensure their position in the pecking order of 'coach picks,' or because they are too frickin' lazy.

Now. I will grant you that the knee covering thing is a different animal. A player can easily get a mouthpiece. A player can get easily a tailbone pad. A player can easily get a tinted visor removed from his helmet. Unfortunately, a player can't so easily get a pair of pants with longer legs within an hour of game time (especially a visiting team). And the coaches know that. They blame it on the uniform supplier: "Well that's what they sent us!" After two seasons of trying to fight this, everyone just gave up on that issue. Obviously, the coaches not only don't care, but, by omission, they encourage this behavior in the name of improved performance (real or imagined). We might have made one or two players work hard to keep their pants pulled down at the start of a drive, but then they 'shrink' up. And we just got tired of fighting this. They don't care; we don't care.
If the UIL writes their own rule to increase enforcement of this, then, by all means, WE need to stick it to 'em in those first few weeks, regardless of threats to scratch us, etc. And then we write up every incident where we had to enforce such a new UIL rule, and force the UIL to support us, or tell us, officially, "Just kidding."
Yes, this is an issue that the UIL needs to address internally, and not make us the 'bad guys.' Have us send in incident reports for every team that plays a player that doesn't wear conforming pants. No in-game penalty - just an incident report. Then they can use the incident report to fine the teams. And maybe even rule them ineligible for post-season play, if they have multiple incident reports for this reason.

Won't happen, as much as I wish it would.

Just don't pretend to know what I will, or won't, enforce. And don't call me "@".

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National Federation Discussion / Re: Arm Sleeves
« Last post by hef333 on April 25, 2024, 02:46:34 PM »
1982 :  1-5-1d.... Pants required.

As an Umpire...I would like to personally thank whoever came up with this one....otherwise I'd spend my late Friday nights rinsing my eyes with Clorox!   :!#
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Texas Topics / Re: PROP Approved Rules changes - now we wait for the UIL
« Last post by Zebra Watcher on April 25, 2024, 01:36:00 PM »
Very good @dammitbobby. Maybe one day we will agree on a topic.
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Texas Topics / Re: PROP Approved Rules changes - now we wait for the UIL
« Last post by dammitbobby on April 25, 2024, 12:43:10 PM »
If you can't handle the simple stuff, how can you be expected to handle the big stuff.

Because I can discern what is important and relevant, and what is not.  But you do you, and I'll keep on keeping on as well.
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