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Offline mhez141

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Player on end of line going in motion
« on: August 26, 2023, 07:41:20 PM »
This has most likely been covered in another topic but did a search and found nothing to answer the question.
Can a player on the end of the line whether it is a TE or WR go in motion from their position on the LOS or are they required to step back and then start their motion?  This is just for 1, 2 and 3rd down as on 4th whoever they uncover is still ineligible.  And this makes him the 4th player in the backfield.
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Re: Player on end of line going in motion
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2023, 08:18:30 PM »
What does rule 7-2-7 say about going in motion if the player going in motion isn’t clearly behind the LOS?

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Re: Player on end of line going in motion
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2023, 08:29:26 PM »
So the end player on the LOS can start their motion from a position on the LOS and they shall be at least 5 yards behind the line at the snap makes this legal.  Unlike a player who started their motion from a backfield position they can have no requirement how far behind the LOS they have to be at the snap.  Correct or am I looking at this wrong.  Please explain if this not correct.

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Re: Player on end of line going in motion
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2023, 10:21:49 PM »
Here's another fun question to pile on to that.  If that end goes in motion 5+ yards from the LOS, is he still a lineman, or a back?

Then once you think through that, you'll see that we need to delete that rule.  lol

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Re: Player on end of line going in motion
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2023, 08:22:30 AM »
Here's another fun question to pile on to that.  If that end goes in motion 5+ yards from the LOS, is he still a lineman, or a back?

Then once you think through that, you'll see that we need to delete that rule.  lol

If he's 5+ yards behind the LOS, he's a back. 2-32-9 defines the positioning of a lineman "when the ball is snapped", so if he's not on the line at the snap, he's not a lineman. You can have a player in "no man's land" who doesn't fulfill the definition of a back either, but not if he's 5+ yards off the line.

I kind of get your point with the phrase "establishing as a back" in the rule, since that's not otherwise defined. If the player never established as a back, is he not still a lineman, after all? The implication/intent of the rule is about where was the player when the motion started. A player starting from the line and a player starting as a back have different rules, but the player on the line can move to a back, stop and then restart as a back and switch rule coverage. It's probably another example of some language that needs cleaned up, but I don't think deleting the rule is necessary -- outside of who has ever called that or paid attention to it?

It's a relatively uncommon shift (an 8th lineman going in motion) in today's game that we'd probably all miss it and nobody would notice. If there were 4 backs prior to one of the seven lineman making that shift, we'd all flag the illegal formation for having five backs at the snap.

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Re: Player on end of line going in motion
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2023, 10:28:08 AM »
So the end player on the LOS can start their motion from a position on the LOS and they shall be at least 5 yards behind the line at the snap makes this legal.  Unlike a player who started their motion from a backfield position they can have no requirement how far behind the LOS they have to be at the snap.  Correct or am I looking at this wrong.  Please explain if this not correct.

Correct.  If he goes into motion directly from the LOS, he must be 5 yards behind the LOS at the snap.  If he shifts into the backfield and resets, becoming a back, he can go into motion without that 5 yard requirement.

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Re: Player on end of line going in motion
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2023, 10:45:28 AM »
Do if as n B end goes in motion and becomes a back then we need to make sure he does not make a 5th player in the backfield.