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HARK, 'TIS TIME FOR SANTA'S WISH LIST........
« on: December 15, 2023, 01:55:20 PM »
As always, I enjoy in reading and value your opinions. I often use some of them in the upcoming debates. Please offer yours.

(1) Equipment Cops: more coloring rules on home jerseys, Pants covering thigh pads only needed. Sweat bands,any eye shadow and play cards can be worn anywhere. Equipment missing = TO charged to player's team.

(2) Holder's knee only nears to be NEAR ground.

(3) Major PF's are : Targeting, RTP/S/H,K, horse collar & DBPF by same player; on 2nd =  :thumbup.

(4) Drop kick only if as ball touches ground.

(5) Reciever remains 'defensless' for first two steps.

(6) Fumble OOB W/less than 2 min.= start clock on RFP.

(7) Run clock during 1st down by A.

(8) Forward fumble > OOB > spot of fumble . Clock starts whwn ball back inbounds.

(9) Foul on K only if free kick is beyond field of play when touched by OOB R.

(10) Late in half/game, FGA prior to 4th down= OK with # exception.

(11) IFP if QB went beyond LOS, then behind to pass.

(12) Make IG a spot foul w/o any yardage.

(13) Reduce DPI to 10 /yds AND add AFD.

(14) Add AFD if DPI

(15) DBPF > USC , 2 USC + :thumbup

(16) Fouls by B > B's 30, consider if full 15 would create 1st down.

(17) PF if by B = AFD.

(18 - 25) Proposals aimed at correcting/ clairfy/re-writing Rule 10.

Thank you for taking time tp respond. Happy Holidays to you and yours aWaRd aWaRd aWaRd aWaRd aWaRd
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Re: HARK, 'TIS TIME FOR SANTA'S WISH LIST........
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2023, 04:48:54 PM »
As always, I enjoy in reading and value your opinions. I often use some of them in the upcoming debates. Please offer yours.

(1) Equipment Cops: more coloring rules on home jerseys, Pants covering thigh pads only needed. Sweat bands,any eye shadow and play cards can be worn anywhere. Equipment missing = TO charged to player's team.

(2) Holder's knee only nears to be NEAR ground.

(3) Major PF's are : Targeting, RTP/S/H,K, horse collar & DBPF by same player; on 2nd =  :thumbup.

(4) Drop kick only if as ball touches ground.

(5) Reciever remains 'defensless' for first two steps.

(6) Fumble OOB W/less than 2 min.= start clock on RFP.

(7) Run clock during 1st down by A.

(8) Forward fumble > OOB > spot of fumble . Clock starts whwn ball back inbounds.

(9) Foul on K only if free kick is beyond field of play when touched by OOB R.

(10) Late in half/game, FGA prior to 4th down= OK with # exception.

(11) IFP if QB went beyond LOS, then behind to pass.

(12) Make IG a spot foul w/o any yardage.

(13) Reduce DPI to 10 /yds AND add AFD.

(14) Add AFD if DPI

(15) DBPF > USC , 2 USC + :thumbup

(16) Fouls by B > B's 30, consider if full 15 would create 1st down.

(17) PF if by B = APD.

(18 - 25) Proposals aimed at correcting/ clairfy/re-writing Rule 10.

Thank you for taking time tp respond. Happy Holidays to you and yours aWaRd aWaRd aWaRd aWaRd aWaRd

1.  That appears to be the way it is administered now.
2.  No.  The current rule is fine.
3.  No. 
4.  No.  The current rule is sufficient.  I have not seen one in 50 years anyway.
5.  No.
6.  OK.
7.  OK.
8.  No.  The current rule is sufficient.
9.  Yes.
10. OK, but define "late".
11. OK.
12. OK.
13. NO.  Unless Lod is returned to OPI.
14. See #13.
15. No.
16. No.
17. No.
18. Yes.

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Re: HARK, 'TIS TIME FOR SANTA'S WISH LIST........
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2023, 09:15:34 PM »
Ralph, are these 18 propose rules changes going to consider changing for 2024.

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Re: HARK, 'TIS TIME FOR SANTA'S WISH LIST........
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2023, 09:22:26 PM »
1.NO 2. NO  3. NO 4. NO 5. NO. 6.NO. 7. NO. 8. NO. 9. NO. 10. NO. 11. NO. 12. NO. 13. NO.14 YES. 15. NO. 16. NO. 17. YES. 18-25. YES.

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Re: HARK, 'TIS TIME FOR SANTA'S WISH LIST........
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2023, 09:37:19 PM »
Ralph, are these the only propose rules changes there going to considered for 2024. What about unsportmanlike conduct foul by defense automatic 1st down. Also on the 2023 NFHS Rules questionnaire. Encroachment being a live ball foul.

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Re: HARK, 'TIS TIME FOR SANTA'S WISH LIST........
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2023, 11:27:41 PM »
1.     No
2.   No
3.   No
4.   Yes
5.   No
6.   Yes
7.   No
8.   Yes
9.   No
10.    Yes
11.    Yes
12.    Yes
13.    No
14.    Yes
15.    Yes
16.    Yes
17.    Yes
18-25   - Only if first vetted by the Refstripes discussion board :)

26. Require players to wear pull over knee pads along this type of thing (out of the box thought but none the less)

https://kneesafe.com/knee-pad-types/
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Re: HARK, 'TIS TIME FOR SANTA'S WISH LIST........
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2023, 08:10:45 AM »
As always, I enjoy in reading and value your opinions. I often use some of them in the upcoming debates. Please offer yours.

(1) Equipment Cops: more coloring rules on home jerseys, Pants covering thigh pads only needed. Sweat bands,any eye shadow and play cards can be worn anywhere. Equipment missing = TO charged to player's team.

I can't recall a year when there hasn't been equipment rule changes.  I think most coaches and officials are tired of them.  In my area of the country, the only equipment issue seems to be hard to read numbers, which will hopefully be helped by the jersey rules that are already going into effect in 2024.  So, the only changes that I support are:
  • Play cards worn anywhere that they're allowed in college
  • Get rid of the UNS against a coach for equipment.  Continue to make them certify that everyone is legally and properly equipped, so that they're legally responsible.  Then just send the kid out if he's not wearing proper equipment.

(2) Holder's knee only nears to be NEAR ground.

No

(3) Major PF's are : Targeting, RTP/S/H,K, horse collar & DBPF by same player; on 2nd =  :thumbup.

No!

(4) Drop kick only if as ball touches ground.

No, not necessary.

(5) Reciever remains 'defensless' for first two steps.

No, not necessary.  I thought that last year's clarification was fine.

(6) Fumble OOB W/less than 2 min.= start clock on RFP.

OK.  No strong feelings on this.

(7) Run clock during 1st down by A.

OK.  But I don't think it's necessary.  I'd put in a rule to wind after going OOB above 2 minutes, before I'd do this.

(8) Forward fumble > OOB > spot of fumble . Clock starts whwn ball back inbounds.

Yes

(9) Foul on K only if free kick is beyond field of play when touched by OOB R.

No

(10) Late in half/game, FGA prior to 4th down= OK with # exception.

Yes.  This rule was originally written way too complicated.  Just say that it's ok when in scrimmage kick formation and a kick is obvious.

(11) IFP if QB went beyond LOS, then behind to pass.

Yes

(12) Make IG a spot foul w/o any yardage.

Yes

(13) Reduce DPI to 10 /yds AND add AFD.

No!  I'm ok with AFD, but not reducing it to 10 yds.  You could make it the same as college if you want to (spot foul when less than 15), but I think that rule is too complicated for many high school officials and coaches.

(14) Add AFD if DPI

Yes!  Just add an AFD to DPI and be done with it.

(15) DBPF > USC , 2 USC + :thumbup

I think this means that they're proposing the college rule.  Dead ball action clearly after the play = UNS.  And if that's what you mean, then Yes.

(16) Fouls by B > B's 30, consider if full 15 would create 1st down.

No

(17) PF if by B = APD.

Don't care.

(18 - 25) Proposals aimed at correcting/ clairfy/re-writing Rule 10.

Sounds scary that there 8 proposals just to try to correct the Editorial Committee's mess-up.  But yeah, that needs fixing either with a rule change or a better job by the Editorial Committee.

Thank you for taking time tp respond. Happy Holidays to you and yours aWaRd aWaRd aWaRd aWaRd aWaRd

I'm generally in favor of rules that bring things closer to college.  And the main reason for that is that from what I've observed, people just don't know the high school rules as well as they should.  That includes coaches, players, and officials.  I've been disappointed to see some of the things that officials come up with in games I've watched.  So keep things safe, simple, and as close as possible to what they see on Saturday.

That's not a knock against anyone on here.  I know that you all work at knowing the rules.  But I'm talking about what I've observed in general around my state.

Thanks Ralph!  Happy Holidays!


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Re: HARK, 'TIS TIME FOR SANTA'S WISH LIST........
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2023, 08:35:53 AM »
As always, I enjoy in reading and value your opinions. I often use some of them in the upcoming debates. Please offer yours.

(1) Equipment Cops: more coloring rules on home jerseys, Pants covering thigh pads only needed. Sweat bands,any eye shadow and play cards can be worn anywhere. Equipment missing = TO charged to player's team.

I don't like the charged time out, but being lax on everything else I am a fan.

(2) Holder's knee only nears to be NEAR ground.

Meh... don't change it.

(3) Major PF's are : Targeting, RTP/S/H,K, horse collar & DBPF by same player; on 2nd =  :thumbup.

I'm not sure I like this.  Maybe TGT only.  Lots of these are incidental and don't warrant ejection, IMO.

(4) Drop kick only if as ball touches ground.

Did this really need addressed?  lol

(5) Reciever remains 'defensless' for first two steps.

No, leave it alone.

(6) Fumble OOB W/less than 2 min.= start clock on RFP.

No, no need in HS.

(7) Run clock during 1st down by A.

No.

(8) Forward fumble > OOB > spot of fumble . Clock starts whwn ball back inbounds.

No need in HS.

(9) Foul on K only if free kick is beyond field of play when touched by OOB R.

Yes, to comply with the case book plays and get rid of IP in this scenaro.

(10) Late in half/game, FGA prior to 4th down= OK with # exception.

Maybe add "It's obvious a kick would be attempted" to the SKF rule instead of using downs.

(11) IFP if QB went beyond LOS, then behind to pass.

Sure.

(12) Make IG a spot foul w/o any yardage.

No need to change a fundamental for this one.

(13) Reduce DPI to 10 /yds AND add AFD.

No.

(14) Add AFD if DPI

Sure

(15) DBPF > USC , 2 USC + :thumbup

If this is saying that you have the option to convert DBPF's to UNS, then yes.

(16) Fouls by B > B's 30, consider if full 15 would create 1st down.

No (I'm not sure what this is saying).

(17) PF if by B = AFD.

Sure.

(18 - 25) Proposals aimed at correcting/ clairfy/re-writing Rule 10.

Yep, it needs it for sure.

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Re: HARK, 'TIS TIME FOR SANTA'S WISH LIST........
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2023, 10:50:29 AM »
Thanks, guys, for your response. There seems to need some clairity around 16 & 17.....

(16) Fouls by B inside of B's 30 , we would consider - but not measure - if the full 15  would create a new series...A @ B's 20, 3rd & 12,  ^flag 15 yarder on B Ball would be moved to B's 10, BUT where the full 15 would have created a new series = 1/10 @ 10.......Anyone a CPA  ;)  ???

(17)All personal fouls by B create an automatic first down....Pardon my poor 'shorthand'  pi1eOn

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Re: HARK, 'TIS TIME FOR SANTA'S WISH LIST........
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2023, 11:32:01 AM »
Let's just adopt the Rules; we're headed that way anyway

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Re: HARK, 'TIS TIME FOR SANTA'S WISH LIST........
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2023, 11:34:31 AM »
I meant to include the word "NCAA" rules

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Re: HARK, 'TIS TIME FOR SANTA'S WISH LIST........
« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2023, 07:34:34 PM »
1 - Indifferent (I'll do what I'm told)
2 - Sure
3 - No
4 - Indifferent (so rare)
5 - Indifferent (realistically enforced similar to that already)
6 - I like as a college guy too, but it's another weird exception
7 - No (at least not until all of college does - it makes so little difference with an efficient R)
8 - Yes
9 - No (rare)
10 - Sure
11 - Sure
12 - Indifferent
13 - Big no
14 - Yes (usually is, occasionally hurts A when close to scoring without this change)
15 - Yes only if DBPF is clearly late (non-football act)... not because he got hit 1 step OOB
16 - Sure - maybe better than 14
17 - Yes
18-25 - Please!

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Re: HARK, 'TIS TIME FOR SANTA'S WISH LIST........
« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2023, 05:48:20 AM »
For the first time in a +/- 40-yr career, there’s nothing that I have strong feelings about changing (assuming Rule 10 will be fixed).  #9 would come closest.  I’d also like to adopt the NCAA “immediate continuing action” provision for an IW, but I’m not holding my breath.

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Re: HARK, 'TIS TIME FOR SANTA'S WISH LIST........
« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2023, 08:52:49 AM »
As always, I enjoy in reading and value your opinions. I often use some of them in the upcoming debates. Please offer yours.

(1) Equipment Cops: more coloring rules on home jerseys, Pants covering thigh pads only needed. Sweat bands,any eye shadow and play cards can be worn anywhere. Equipment missing = TO charged to player's team.
Tired of being the equipment police

(2) Holder's knee only nears to be NEAR ground.
Don't care

(3) Major PF's are : Targeting, RTP/S/H,K, horse collar & DBPF by same player; on 2nd =  :thumbup.
No, we can eject if we think it is warranted

(4) Drop kick only if as ball touches ground.
So rare who cares

(5) Reciever remains 'defensless' for first two steps.
No leave it a judgement

(6) Fumble OOB W/less than 2 min.= start clock on RFP.
Not needed

(7) Run clock during 1st down by A.
Yes

(8) Forward fumble > OOB > spot of fumble . Clock starts whwn ball back inbounds.
No

(9) Foul on K only if free kick is beyond field of play when touched by OOB R.
No

(10) Late in half/game, FGA prior to 4th down= OK with # exception.
Might as well, I bet most crews don't enforce it now

(11) IFP if QB went beyond LOS, then behind to pass.
Yes

(12) Make IG a spot foul w/o any yardage.
Don't care one way or another

(13) Reduce DPI to 10 /yds AND add AFD.
No

(14) Add AFD if DPI
Wishy Washy on this

(15) DBPF > USC , 2 USC + :thumbup
No

(16) Fouls by B > B's 30, consider if full 15 would create 1st down.
I'm a CPA and don't want to do the math

(17) PF if by B = AFD.
NO

(18 - 25) Proposals aimed at correcting/ clairfy/re-writing Rule 10.
Isn't it obvious Rule 10 has to be fixed

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Re: HARK, 'TIS TIME FOR SANTA'S WISH LIST........
« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2023, 09:16:01 AM »
I don't like having the clock run on first downs at the NFHS level.  You get some really bad chain crews and moving the chains is a bit more of a "production" than at the NCAA or NFL level.  Would hate to see the clock affected by this in crunch time, or just as bad, team snaps before the chains get there and we forget where the LTG should be.

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Re: HARK, 'TIS TIME FOR SANTA'S WISH LIST........
« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2023, 10:55:03 AM »
Let's just adopt the NCAA rules; we're headed that way anyway


As has been noted many times before, that's never going to happen since the #1 source of income for NFHS is the fees for the various forms of the rulebooks (hardcopy, electronic, etc).
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Re: HARK, 'TIS TIME FOR SANTA'S WISH LIST........
« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2023, 01:03:39 PM »
Do yall pay any kind of dues or membership for NFHS? I get it's a big revenue stream for them, but dang. seems crazy to not have them freely available.

Just for comparison purposes, in Texas we pay I think $75/year for membership in TASO, which gets us a hard copy of the NCAA rulebook.

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Re: HARK, 'TIS TIME FOR SANTA'S WISH LIST........
« Reply #17 on: December 18, 2023, 02:49:18 PM »
1.NO
2. NO
3.EMPHATIC NO!
4. YES
5. NO
6.NO
7.YES
8. NO
9.NO
10. YES
11.EMPHATIC NO!  Should remain ok as long as QB behind los when he passes.
12. NOOOOOOOOOOO!
13.  No
14. Yes
15. ???
16.NO
17.NOOOOOOO!

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Re: HARK, 'TIS TIME FOR SANTA'S WISH LIST........
« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2023, 09:27:35 AM »
Do yall pay any kind of dues or membership for NFHS? I get it's a big revenue stream for them, but dang. seems crazy to not have them freely available.

Just for comparison purposes, in Texas we pay I think $75/year for membership in TASO, which gets us a hard copy of the NCAA rulebook.

My state (AZ) and most others purchase the rulebooks from the NFHS and you in turn pay the state for it in your dues.

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Re: HARK, 'TIS TIME FOR SANTA'S WISH LIST........
« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2023, 09:52:13 AM »
Do yall pay any kind of dues or membership for NFHS? I get it's a big revenue stream for them, but dang. seems crazy to not have them freely available.

Just for comparison purposes, in Texas we pay I think $75/year for membership in TASO, which gets us a hard copy of the NCAA rulebook.

Our Chapter likely pays for NFHS Membership, and our Chapter dues include provision of all related NFHS publications and access to NFHS major publications (Rule, Case Book, etc. as well as any necessary NFHS publications and/or updates/changes).  Level Rule differences pose an additional personal challenge to working simultaneously at multiple levels ( like being able to converse in multiple languages).

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Re: HARK, 'TIS TIME FOR SANTA'S WISH LIST........
« Reply #20 on: December 19, 2023, 10:40:17 AM »
This applies to any set of rules for American football, for the sake of cosmetic dignity:

- Require jersey sleeves or matching color undershirt sleeves to extend to the elbow of both arms.
- Require legs to be covered from the top of the shoes to the pants - NO EXPOSED LEG SKIN.
- Require the full circumference of the jersey, or matching color undershirt, to be tucked into the pants - NO EXPOSED BODY SKIN, under any playing condition, i.e., while inactively standing or actively performing.
- Require all players to have a single mouthpiece attached to their facemask, and worn in the mouth on every down, OR
- Eliminate the requirement for a mouthpiece.
- Eliminate all blocks below the waist. (Oh, yeah, NF already has that...)
- Prohibit the reduction in field lighting to less than 25 lumens at the field level whenever squad members, in or out of uniform, of either team are on the field.
- Prohibit any band from playing or making any discernable noise once the ball is ready for play for the opening kickoff until the game is declared over, except during a charged team timeout, media timeout, or between periods.
- Require all game sites to have visible play clocks.
- Require all game sites to have a referee's field microphone, with lapel style microphone (head/ear mounted microphones not permitted).
- Require both teams to each have a minimum of 3 balls persons, with at least one stationed on each sideline during the game. (The third person would be a 'runner' to keep their balls balanced between both sidelines).
- Require that all pre-game activity - including the national anthem and school songs - is completed and the field is completely clear not later than 5 minutes before kickoff - subject to penalty. And,
- Require that the visiting team enter the field NLT 4:30 before kickoff and captains must be at the 50 yard line at their sideline NLT 4:00 before kickoff - subject to penalty. And,
- Require that the home team enter the field NLT 4:00 before kickoff and captains must be at the 50 yard line at their sideline NLT 3:30 before kickoff - subject to penalty.
- Coin toss shall be executed at 3:00 before kickoff - no exceptions.
- The Home team shall ensure that there will be separate game clock and play clock operators, and that both shall report to the officials dressing room at 60 minutes prior to the game for a brief conference with the Referee - subject to penalty.
- Home team shall ensure that there will be a chain crew of not fewer than four persons above the age of 12, and that they shall report to the field, with the full set of down and line-to-gain equipment NLT than 30 minutes before the kickoff for a conference with the Head Line Judge - subject to penalty.
- The Home team shall ensure that a licensed peace officer with jurisdiction at the game site is on duty when the game officials arrive on site, and who shall remain in close proximity of game officials throughout the contest, and shall escort the game officials between their dressing facility and the field, and from their dressing facility to their vehicles, and who shall ensure the safe arrival and departure of the game officials to/from the game site, and beyond, as may be necessary.
- The Home team shall ensure that the designated game administrator meets with the game officials when they arrive on site, and is available to assist the game officials throughout the contest.
- The Home team shall ensure that there is a secure dressing facility for the game officials that does not require the game officials to pass through any team dressing room, coaches offices, training room, or any other space that may be occupied or available to any other person during the time the game officials are on site.
- If the secure dressing facility for the game officials is greater than 50 yards from the playing field, the Home team shall ensure that there is transportation to and from the field, on demand.

I can probably think of more, but these are the things that are, typically, in 'policy' manuals, but need to be in the Rules.
   
   


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Re: HARK, 'TIS TIME FOR SANTA'S WISH LIST........
« Reply #21 on: December 19, 2023, 08:08:56 PM »
This applies to any set of rules for American football, for the sake of cosmetic dignity:

- Require jersey sleeves or matching color undershirt sleeves to extend to the elbow of both arms.
- Require legs to be covered from the top of the shoes to the pants - NO EXPOSED LEG SKIN.
- Require the full circumference of the jersey, or matching color undershirt, to be tucked into the pants - NO EXPOSED BODY SKIN, under any playing condition, i.e., while inactively standing or actively performing.
- Require all players to have a single mouthpiece attached to their facemask, and worn in the mouth on every down, OR
- Eliminate the requirement for a mouthpiece.
- Eliminate all blocks below the waist. (Oh, yeah, NF already has that...)
- Prohibit the reduction in field lighting to less than 25 lumens at the field level whenever squad members, in or out of uniform, of either team are on the field.
- Prohibit any band from playing or making any discernable noise once the ball is ready for play for the opening kickoff until the game is declared over, except during a charged team timeout, media timeout, or between periods.
- Require all game sites to have visible play clocks.
- Require all game sites to have a referee's field microphone, with lapel style microphone (head/ear mounted microphones not permitted).
- Require both teams to each have a minimum of 3 balls persons, with at least one stationed on each sideline during the game. (The third person would be a 'runner' to keep their balls balanced between both sidelines).
- Require that all pre-game activity - including the national anthem and school songs - is completed and the field is completely clear not later than 5 minutes before kickoff - subject to penalty. And,
- Require that the visiting team enter the field NLT 4:30 before kickoff and captains must be at the 50 yard line at their sideline NLT 4:00 before kickoff - subject to penalty. And,
- Require that the home team enter the field NLT 4:00 before kickoff and captains must be at the 50 yard line at their sideline NLT 3:30 before kickoff - subject to penalty.
- Coin toss shall be executed at 3:00 before kickoff - no exceptions.
- The Home team shall ensure that there will be separate game clock and play clock operators, and that both shall report to the officials dressing room at 60 minutes prior to the game for a brief conference with the Referee - subject to penalty.
- Home team shall ensure that there will be a chain crew of not fewer than four persons above the age of 12, and that they shall report to the field, with the full set of down and line-to-gain equipment NLT than 30 minutes before the kickoff for a conference with the Head Line Judge - subject to penalty.
- The Home team shall ensure that a licensed peace officer with jurisdiction at the game site is on duty when the game officials arrive on site, and who shall remain in close proximity of game officials throughout the contest, and shall escort the game officials between their dressing facility and the field, and from their dressing facility to their vehicles, and who shall ensure the safe arrival and departure of the game officials to/from the game site, and beyond, as may be necessary.
- The Home team shall ensure that the designated game administrator meets with the game officials when they arrive on site, and is available to assist the game officials throughout the contest.
- The Home team shall ensure that there is a secure dressing facility for the game officials that does not require the game officials to pass through any team dressing room, coaches offices, training room, or any other space that may be occupied or available to any other person during the time the game officials are on site.
- If the secure dressing facility for the game officials is greater than 50 yards from the playing field, the Home team shall ensure that there is transportation to and from the field, on demand.

I can probably think of more, but these are the things that are, typically, in 'policy' manuals, but need to be in the Rules.
   
   

Sadly, "Policy Manuals" much like common sense and good ideas, rarely live up to consistent intentions.

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Re: HARK, 'TIS TIME FOR SANTA'S WISH LIST........
« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2023, 07:20:58 AM »
(1) Equipment Cops: more coloring rules on home jerseys, Pants covering thigh pads only needed. Sweat bands,any eye shadow and play cards can be worn anywhere. Equipment missing = TO charged to player's team. Never understood why eye shadow was such a big deal. I'm good with allowing that.

(2) Holder's knee only nears to be NEAR ground. No. Leave as-is.

(3) Major PF's are : Targeting, RTP/S/H,K, horse collar & DBPF by same player; on 2nd =  :thumbup.
maybe targeting and DBPF

(4) Drop kick only if as ball touches ground. Nah

(5) Reciever remains 'defensless' for first two steps. With 2023 rule, isn't receiver defenseless until he establishes himself as a runner? (completes the catch)  Seems like this would be along those same lines...

(6) Fumble OOB W/less than 2 min.= start clock on RFP.

(7) Run clock during 1st down by A. Nah

(8) Forward fumble > OOB > spot of fumble . Clock starts whwn ball back inbounds.

(9) Foul on K only if free kick is beyond field of play when touched by OOB R.

(10) Late in half/game, FGA prior to 4th down= OK with # exception. Louisiana already has this rule, as long as the ball is kicked. (not just kick formation, literally need to kick the ball or it's a foul). Very rare occurrence, I didn't see it once all year.

(11) IFP if QB went beyond LOS, then behind to pass. So rare not sure it needs tweaking. But if this becomes a topic, it should include QB beyond LOS can lateral to teammate behind LOS who can then pass ball. Both should be included.

(12) Make IG a spot foul w/o any yardage. Meh. Leave as is I guess

(13) Reduce DPI to 10 /yds AND add AFD.

(14) Add AFD if DPI

(15) DBPF > USC , 2 USC + :thumbup

(16) Fouls by B > B's 30, consider if full 15 would create 1st down. Might want to consider 1st down facet on 15, 10, and 5 yd fouls, not just 15's.  Same concept.

(17) PF if by B = AFD. Nah

(18 - 25) Proposals aimed at correcting/ clairfy/re-writing Rule 10.

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Re: HARK, 'TIS TIME FOR SANTA'S WISH LIST........
« Reply #23 on: December 23, 2023, 06:42:58 PM »
(1) "All your players legally equipped and know that equipment rules are for their safety?" "A-yup" "Then if they don't wear knee pads and get hurt, it's on you/them." "A-yup". Charged timeout is excessive. Remove for a play if something is dangerous.

(2) Sure

(3) I'm not a fan of automatic ejection. Allow for ejection for repeated sub-flagrant fouls, sure, but I'd be hesitant for mandating it.

(4) Uh... is this a problem? I've never seen a drop kick attempted.

(5) If we're clarifying the existing rule, sure -- "Time to become a runner" = 2 steps?

(6) Sure, if paired with #8

(7) Only if we include the under-2:00 exception. First down clock stoppages are a strategy that would be too disruptive to remove entirely.

(8) Sure, if by back in bounds is "marked RFP" -- akin to the current first down silent wind.

(9) Yes. R should not be able to cause the kick to go OOB.

(10) Under 2 in the half, sure. FGA are so rare that I'd hate to penalize the team for a numbering violation because it was 3rd down.

(11) No.

(12) Yes

(13) I'd be for DPI to be a spot foul up to 15 yards.

(14) Not a fan of AFD on DPI. Maybe only if foul results in half the distance enforcement?

(15) No, for collateral damage. Let's say B56 hits a defenseless receiver, not targeting -- if the receiver missed the ball, it was a dead ball foul, but if he caught it, it was live ball? Could he be ejected if it was incomplete, but not if it was caught? I'd be willing to allow for a sub-flagrant category that can count as one of two for ejection, but not just "any DBPF". Invite me to the meeting and I'll work out a better proposal   ;D

(16) Do we count the full 15, or is an AFD if 15 would have been a first down? I would vote AFD+half the distance if 15 would have been a first down (and this fixes my issues with DPI earlier as well). I might add the AFD if it was a GTG situation as well.

(17) Not universally. See #16.

(18 - 25) Uggh... please

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Re: HARK, 'TIS TIME FOR SANTA'S WISH LIST........
« Reply #24 on: December 25, 2023, 12:55:26 AM »
#4 being on the ballot reminds me of the year we all wanted to fix the illegal formation rule to count backs instead of linemen.  Instead, we got a rule change regarding prosthetic limbs falling off.