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Offline NVFOA_Ump

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Re: Injured Player
« Reply #25 on: September 09, 2010, 02:04:31 PM »
And what do you perceive the difference/s between a player and participant?

The word participant is not included in Chapter 2 definitions and in each case where the word is used in the rulebook is has a slightly different general context and meaning so I don't believe that we can do anything with the term.  The closest "definition" you can develop from the places where it's used in the book is that the term describes all of the possible on-field playing members on both teams rosters.  How does that fit in the context of how the term is used in the AR?  IMO it simply doesn't.
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Re: Injured Player
« Reply #26 on: September 09, 2010, 07:40:54 PM »
The word participant is not included in Chapter 2 definitions ....

Rule 2-27-6-a:  "A player is any one of the participants in the game who is not a substitute or a replaced player ..."
Are you splitting hairs between the singular (participate) versus plural (participates)?


The closest "definition" you can develop from the places where it's used in the book is that the term describes all of the possible on-field playing members on both teams ... .  

That sur enuff reads like a description of "players" to me.

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Re: Injured Player
« Reply #27 on: September 09, 2010, 10:08:13 PM »
That's not even close to my reading - a participant is simply one of team members in uniform that can participate in the game and the term even includes us (the officials on the field).  One of 25-60 more or less per team plus the crew.  He is not a substitute or a replaced player, those terms are explicitly defined as is the term player.

We're not splitting hairs here, we're going by the rules.  Using the term participant in the context of the AR is simply illogical.  If the AR means to say that when the PLAYER steps off the field and across the sideline into the team area that he becomes a DEPARTING PLAYER who must now stay out for at least one play (or a timeout period) it could very easily, and clearly say that using clearly defined terms from the definitions - it doesn't.

What it does say is that the player did not comply with the substitution rules, and given the specific set of facts in the AR (all of the facts) a flag is warranted, no more no less.
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