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Discussion from another forum
« on: April 24, 2023, 06:25:30 AM »
On a forum with a different rule code, the following action was offered:

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B20 intercepts the ball in his own end zone but he does not take a knee.  He throws the ball up in the air in celebration and the ball travels to about the 5 yard line where his teammates and team A realize it is still a live ball and there is a mad scrum and the ball falls to the ground.  A ends up recovering the ball in the endzone.  You make the call.
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For NCAA, the question becomes, “Where did the ball land, or was first touched, after it was thrown by B20?” If it landed/touched beyond the point from which it was thrown by B20, then, by rule definition, it is a forward pass, and, since it is by Team B, it is an illegal forward pass. The ball is dead when it hits the ground, and belongs to the passing team at the spot of the pass. Since that spot is in B’s end zone, the natural result of the down is, officially, a touchback, since Team A was responsible for the ball being in Team B’s end zone. Regarding the IFP foul, since the spot of the foul is in the end zone, the penalty results in a safety, 2 points for Team A. Team A will, obviously, accept the penalty.

If the thrown ball landed at a point NOT beyond the spot of the pass, then, by rule definition, it is a (legal) backward pass, and the ball would remain alive and in play. When recovered by Team A, in B’s end zone, the result of the down is a touchdown, 6 points for Team A. (Note: If the passed ball travels directly out of bounds, the result of the down is a touchback.)

Apparently, in that other rule set, the determination of a pass being forward or backward includes a judgment as to whether the path of the ball was initially forward or backward while in flight. Glad we don’t have to deal with that. For us, it all depends on where the ball first touches the ground, a player, an official, or anything else (2-19-2-a). Very black and white.


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Re: Discussion from another forum
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2023, 07:32:40 AM »
Just a minor addition to have a full set of alternatives: if the ball is thrown backwards, goes into the field of play and then back into the end zone, it will be a safety if it becomes dead behind the goal line either by going OOB or in team B possession.

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Re: Discussion from another forum
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2023, 09:26:55 AM »
Just a minor addition to have a full set of alternatives: if the ball is thrown backwards, goes into the field of play and then back into the end zone, it will be a safety if it becomes dead behind the goal line either by going OOB or in team B possession.

Absolutely correct, by a change Redding made many years ago, now. Adams had a different ruling for that, that I think was more in line with the actual rule. But, Redding changed it, and that is what we have today.

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« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2023, 10:14:25 AM »
Absolutely correct, by a change Redding made many years ago, now. Adams had a different ruling for that, that I think was more in line with the actual rule. But, Redding changed it, and that is what we have today.

Yeah, I don't like the current ruling although it does have a certain logic to it - the old ruling feels more logical to me.

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« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2023, 10:20:42 AM »
Yeah, I don't like the current ruling although it does have a certain logic to it - the old ruling feels more logical to me.

Kalle, how's the weather over there? When is your actual season?

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« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2023, 10:39:10 AM »
Kalle, how's the weather over there? When is your actual season?

It's been nice and sunny for a few days but going to be rainy now. The season started two weeks ago (juniors under 20 years, other leagues start in May/June). The season ends in September, so we can then easily transition to watching US football :)

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« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2023, 11:24:17 AM »
It's been nice and sunny for a few days but going to be rainy now. The season started two weeks ago (juniors under 20 years, other leagues start in May/June). The season ends in September, so we can then easily transition to watching US football :)

Rain? What's rain?  ???
We are still in extreme drought. We get excited to just get drops on our windshields.