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Football Officiating => Texas Topics => Topic started by: first_year_guy on December 10, 2016, 08:30:40 PM
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Thoughts on a R from another crew filling in as a deep wing for a crew in a Semi Final game?????? seems not cool in my opinion
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A lot depends on why and who. Did the crew just realize someone didn't take/pass the test and therefore ineligible to work and needed a quick fill in? Is the R that worked deep have past experience? Worked at a high level, like maybe a former NFLR official. If it's just they wanted their buddy to work and had no experience back there then that's pretty lame.
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I'm not understanding the question: what difference does it make if it is an R, rather than a BJ, a U, or anyone else?
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Sounds like a little jealousy to me. Those who aren't working always think those who are have no business being there.
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Sounds like a little jealousy to me. Those who aren't working always think those who are have no business being there.
AMEN. ^good
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I'm not understanding the question: what difference does it make if it is an R, rather than a BJ, a U, or anyone else?
Well first of all an R is a leader of his crew, why should he jump ship to work a game for another crew? Secondly no one unless they work B or deep wing should sub in at deep wing, one wouldn't expect a L to work U in a different game would they?
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Sounds like a little jealousy to me. Those who aren't working always think those who are have no business being there.
Thats a stretch, I would never work deep wing...I would fall asleep, plus I'm busy this weekend anyway...
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It just depends. As far as I know, only Houston was using 7 man crews throughout the regular season. So, all the other chapters have to fill in SJ/FJ with people who they feel know the positions (usually either current or former FJ/SJ). Who knows, maybe this R used to be a college SJ/FJ and therefore has worked the position. So in the playoffs he was called into service.
I wonder if that could be possible... yEs:
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Thats a stretch, I would never work deep wing...I would fall asleep, plus I'm busy this weekend anyway...
Typical response for a 'first year guy'. That attitude makes you destined for great things.
And most R's have enough knowledge of the other mechanics to not miss a beat. Coupled with the idea that he could 'fall asleep' at deep wing anyway, you obviously don't think that position is much of a transition anyway.
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Typical response for a 'first year guy'. That attitude makes you destined for great things.
And most R's have enough knowledge of the other mechanics to not miss a beat. Coupled with the idea that he could 'fall asleep' at deep wing anyway, you obviously don't think that position is much of a transition anyway.
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That attitude has helped me be "involved" in some really good games I think I'm on a good pace, my point was there are plenty of deep guys out there without having to call on a R to work
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That attitude has helped me be "involved" in some really good games I think I'm on a good pace, my point was there are plenty of deep guys out there without having to call on a R to work
Most officials I know can (and do) work multiple positions throughout the course of a season.
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Most officials I know can (and do) work multiple positions throughout the course of a season.
I get that many officials are capable of working deep wing but it seems we try to be like college officials so much with the radios and what not, why not hold officials to a higher standard and have them work at specific positions just like college? Work your position and work it well, no way an R or any other position official could move in to a different position and work just as well as one that specializes in that position
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Did this happen in a big chapter that works 7 man regularly? If so, it's more of the same old same old B S. Doesn't matter if you make the crew better giving the kids our best available option, it's just about getting your boy a game. Sad.
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Did this happen in a big chapter that works 7 man regularly? If so, it's more of the same old same old B S. Doesn't matter if you make the crew better giving the kids our best available option, it's just about getting your boy a game. Sad.
Yep it was a big chapter the only chapter that has 7 man crews...go figure
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I get that many officials are capable of working deep wing but it seems we try to be like college officials so much with the radios and what not, why not hold officials to a higher standard and have them work at specific positions just like college?
Folks complain about a shortage of officials and you think limiting officials to a specific position will fly? Good luck with that.
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Folks complain about a shortage of officials and you think limiting officials to a specific position will fly? Good luck with that.
I was being chapter specific, this chapter is very large with more than enough officials
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This is an issue of contentment.
I get it...working in the playoffs is supposedly recognizing top officials for their work during the regular season, and so we all have a desire to be recognized by our peers.
The difference is in perspective. Do you start the season expecting a playoff assignment? I know I dont. I look at any time I get to step on the field, regular season or not, as a privilege and I consider myself fortunate.
Regardless of the circumstances, if someone else is tapped for an opportunity, be happy for that guy. Celebrate that guy. Encourage and root for that guy.
Be content and take care of the things you can control. Do that, and you will get your opportunity to be the guy that everyone else celebrates and roots for...not just in officiating, but in life.
Anything else is born of envy and discontentment and does not endear you to anyone.
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This is an issue of contentment.
I get it...working in the playoffs is supposedly recognizing top officials for their work during the regular season, and so we all have a desire to be recognized by our peers.
The difference is in perspective. Do you start the season expecting a playoff assignment? I know I dont. I look at any time I get to step on the field, regular season or not, as a privilege and I consider myself fortunate.
Regardless of the circumstances, if someone else is tapped for an opportunity, be happy for that guy. Celebrate that guy. Encourage and root for that guy.
Be content and take care of the things you can control. Do that, and you will get your opportunity to be the guy that everyone else celebrates and roots for...not just in officiating, but in life.
Anything else is born of envy and discontentment and does not endear you to anyone.
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This is an issue of contentment.
I get it...working in the playoffs is supposedly recognizing top officials for their work during the regular season, and so we all have a desire to be recognized by our peers.
The difference is in perspective. Do you start the season expecting a playoff assignment? I know I dont. I look at any time I get to step on the field, regular season or not, as a privilege and I consider myself fortunate.
Regardless of the circumstances, if someone else is tapped for an opportunity, be happy for that guy. Celebrate that guy. Encourage and root for that guy.
Be content and take care of the things you can control. Do that, and you will get your opportunity to be the guy that everyone else celebrates and roots for...not just in officiating, but in life.
Anything else is born of envy and discontentment and does not endear you to anyone.
I can certainly appreciate this but my original post was pointing to the fact that a R working deep wing for another crew in the playoffs is nothing short of solicitation, most of you severely underestimate the pathetic lengths crews will go through to get a game...I can assure you I am not jealous, I work my games and enjoy them
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Do you start the season expecting a playoff assignment? I know I dont.
Seriously?
I set goals every season and I expect to achieve my goals every season. I expect to achieve them bc I work all off season to get better. Sometimes I may come up short, which can be frustrating but it pushes me that much more to continue to improve. But I guess keep your expectations low if that's how you like to do it.
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most of you severely underestimate the pathetic lengths crews will go through to get a game...
I know in my chapter there have been several cases where a R randomly shows up at games and requests to be the ball boy and conveniently is next to the head coach for most of the game.
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Seriously?
I set goals every season and I expect to achieve my goals every season. I expect to achieve them bc I work all off season to get better. Sometimes I may come up short, which can be frustrating but it pushes me that much more to continue to improve. But I guess keep your expectations low if that's how you like to do it.
I never said dont set goals. I do the same...every time i step on the field, I try to improve at least 1 area of my game.
Setting a goal to attain is a very different thing than expecting or feeling entitled to a playoff assignment....perhaps for clarity I could have said "feel entitled" rather than "expecting" in the bold section of the prior post.
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I can certainly appreciate this but my original post was pointing to the fact that a R working deep wing for another crew in the playoffs is nothing short of solicitation, most of you severely underestimate the pathetic lengths crews will go through to get a game...I can assure you I am not jealous, I work my games and enjoy them
Unless you have firsthand, direct knowledge of solicitation, this is a serious allegation to bring.
If you do have such knowledge, then feel free to report it to the Ethics committee.
Coming to an online message board to complain about someone getting an assignment serves no purpose other than to internally alienate the community that already has more than enough opposition coming from the outside.
As I said in my post, I choose to be happy for the guy that got tapped, regardless of the circumstance.
If you handle your business on the field, then sooner or later, you will be the guy in that spot...I am sure you wouldnt want everyone under the sun undermining the work you put into your craft by asserting that you brown-nosed your way there. deadhorse:
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This is an issue of contentment.
I get it...working in the playoffs is supposedly recognizing top officials for their work during the regular season, and so we all have a desire to be recognized by our peers.
The difference is in perspective. Do you start the season expecting a playoff assignment? I know I dont. I look at any time I get to step on the field, regular season or not, as a privilege and I consider myself fortunate.
Regardless of the circumstances, if someone else is tapped for an opportunity, be happy for that guy. Celebrate that guy. Encourage and root for that guy.
Be content and take care of the things you can control. Do that, and you will get your opportunity to be the guy that everyone else celebrates and roots for...not just in officiating, but in life.
Anything else is born of envy and discontentment and does not endear you to anyone.
agreed times 1MM
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Unless you have firsthand, direct knowledge of solicitation, this is a serious allegation to bring.
If you do have such knowledge, then feel free to report it to the Ethics committee.
Coming to an online message board to complain about someone getting an assignment serves no purpose other than to internally alienate the community that already has more than enough opposition coming from the outside.
As I said in my post, I choose to be happy for the guy that got tapped, regardless of the circumstance.
If you handle your business on the field, then sooner or later, you will be the guy in that spot...I am sure you wouldnt want everyone under the sun undermining the work you put into your craft by asserting that you brown-nosed your way there. deadhorse:
I have first hand knowledge of solicitation every year but I would never report it because it's high school football and I laugh at grown men that want a high school game that bad, I wasn't complaining either I asked a simple question, seems like many got defensive, I was more or less trying to gauge the moral turpitude of other members on here across the state, thanks for the feedback
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Unless you have firsthand, direct knowledge of solicitation, this is a serious allegation to bring.
If you do have such knowledge, then feel free to report it to the Ethics committee.
Coming to an online message board to complain about someone getting an assignment serves no purpose other than to internally alienate the community that already has more than enough opposition coming from the outside.
As I said in my post, I choose to be happy for the guy that got tapped, regardless of the circumstance.
If you handle your business on the field, then sooner or later, you will be the guy in that spot...I am sure you wouldnt want everyone under the sun undermining the work you put into your craft by asserting that you brown-nosed your way there. deadhorse:
I have been doing this 33 years and this year I am the GUY IN THAT SPOT, my first one, and it is only because I TRY and handle my business on the field. What you say here is very true and unfortunately the other side of what you say is true as well.
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I have first hand knowledge of solicitation every year but I would never report it because it's high school football and I laugh at grown men that want a high school game that bad, I wasn't complaining either I asked a simple question, seems like many got defensive, I was more or less trying to gauge the moral turpitude of other members on here across the state, thanks for the feedback
If you're not going to report it then why even bring up the subject.
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If we did things right, this wouldn't even be a conversation topic because coaches wouldn't have any say in who works their games! Coaches picking officials is simply ridiculous and leads to real and perceived solicitation. We all know getting one opportunity to meet a coach face to face in an off-the-field setting betters your chance of being picked. Do away with picks, you fix that problem. I know of no where else in the country, at the high school or college level, where coaches pick their officials.
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If we did things right, this wouldn't even be a conversation topic because coaches wouldn't have any say in who works their games! Coaches picking officials is simply ridiculous and leads to real and perceived solicitation. We all know getting one opportunity to meet a coach face to face in an off-the-field setting betters your chance of being picked. Do away with picks, you fix that problem. I know of no where else in the country, at the high school or college level, where coaches pick their officials.
Completely forgot y'all do things that way... Innovative? Haha
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If you're not going to report it then why even bring up the subject.
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Again... I was more or less trying to gauge the moral turpitude of other members on here across the state...that would be why I brought it up
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Again... I was more or less trying to gauge the moral turpitude of other members on here across the state...that would be why I brought it up
Not sure that that means . . . . As to the issue of an R filling it at a Deep Flank position -- that has nothing to with morals or ethics or values. That is more a function of how that particular Chapter operates; that is, how it decides to make game assignments.
As for the solicitation you claim to have witnessed -- it is now your moral turpitude that is at issue. If you are aware of actual soliciting -- not just assuming it happened or heard it happen -- you have the moral and ethical obligation to report it.
Start with your own moral turpitude before worrying about the moral character of others.
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Not sure that that means . . . . As to the issue of an R filling it at a Deep Flank position -- that has nothing to with morals or ethics or values. That is more a function of how that particular Chapter operates; that is, how it decides to make game assignments.
As for the solicitation you claim to have witnessed -- it is now your moral turpitude that is at issue. If you are aware of actual soliciting -- not just assuming it happened or heard it happen -- you have the moral and ethical obligation to report it.
Start with your own moral turpitude before worrying about the moral character of others.
I feel like you didn't read the entire thread, maybe go back and browse...not sure what that means? I also feel like the statement is self explanatory so I can't really help you there, I can say I didn't wittness a felony or something awful in nature so I feel my moral turpitude is just fine...I'm not a snitch dude
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I feel like you didn't read the entire thread, maybe go back and browse...not sure what that means? I also feel like the statement is self explanatory so I can't really help you there, I can say I didn't wittness a felony or something awful in nature so I feel my moral turpitude is just fine...I'm not a snitch dude
Then stop complaining. It's not snitching and this isn't gang vs. gang issues.
Be a part of the solution since you are on the horizon of moving up, as you stated earlier.
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Words I heard from a wise mentor a long time ago...
"If you are not part of the solution... you are a part of the problem."
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I feel like you didn't read the entire thread, maybe go back and browse...not sure what that means? I also feel like the statement is self explanatory so I can't really help you there, I can say I didn't wittness a felony or something awful in nature so I feel my moral turpitude is just fine...I'm not a snitch dude
I have been following this thread from the beginning and browse this site every day at this time of the year. And it is not "snitching". You have a professional obligation as part of your agreement to join TASO to uphold the ethics of the organization. Officiating is about upholding the Rules. Soliciting is a "crime" against other officials -- it takes money away from other officials that otherwise could work the game that was solicited.
Nobody says officiating was easy. This is an honorable advocation. If the public cannot have trust in what we do, then sports needs to die off.
So, again, if you have positive knowledge of soliciting, then you have an Obligation to report it. When I served on our ethics committee, if I was referred a solicitation matter -- the person who did the solicitation would be punished, as well as all those that we find out knew about the solicitation.
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If we did things right, this wouldn't even be a conversation topic because coaches wouldn't have any say in who works their games! Coaches picking officials is simply ridiculous and leads to real and perceived solicitation. We all know getting one opportunity to meet a coach face to face in an off-the-field setting betters your chance of being picked. Do away with picks, you fix that problem. I know of no where else in the country, at the high school or college level, where coaches pick their officials.
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f we did things right, this wouldn't even be a conversation topic because coaches wouldn't have any say in who works their games! Coaches picking officials is simply ridiculous and leads to real and perceived solicitation. We all know getting one opportunity to meet a coach face to face in an off-the-field setting betters your chance of being picked. Do away with picks, you fix that problem. I know of no where else in the country, at the high school or college level, where coaches pick their officials.
Like I have pointed out before, the only sport in Texas that gets to "choose" who works their games.
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Like I have pointed out before, the only sport in Texas that gets to "choose" who works their games.
Have seen the difference in games assignments by the Board vs Coaches Pick in Dallas -- the Coaches Pick is far more equitable -- in my opinion.
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You guys are hilarious and some of you are hypocritical liars. Look through some of these other topic and you contradict exactly what you're saying in here. There's nothing wrong with anybody working another position as long as he can work the position. This is all jealousy. And if any of you say that you wouldn't work a game in a different position if you had a chance to, you're a liar. In Houston, where they work seven man, most of your deep wings are the weakest position. They are either at the end of their career and don't move very well or they are At the beginning of their career and don't have a lot of experience. So I see nothing wrong with an R or anyone else working this position if he can do it. The fact that you say this is solicitation, must mean that's what you would do if you were working it. Just because you solicit doesn't mean everyone does. When i work a game, I go out To work it to get as many snaps in as I can. I guess if this made you mad because this R did it in the semi's, it's really gonna make you mad because there is an R doing it in the 6A D2 game on Saturday. Good for him. And by the way, pretty sure that the R that did this was picked for two championship games this weekend. (Both 5A) However the new rule would not allow him to work but only one. Good for him
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That R is also the guy that was in an elevator talking with a coach's wife two years ago then conveniently got picked by that coach the following week. I'm sure that was just a coincidence.
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Hit a nerve in the Houston chapter? eAt&
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So are you saying that he slept with the coaches wife to get a game? Sounds to me like haters going to hate.
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You guys are hilarious and some of you are hypocritical liars. Look through some of these other topic and you contradict exactly what you're saying in here. There's nothing wrong with anybody working another position as long as he can work the position. This is all jealousy. And if any of you say that you wouldn't work a game in a different position if you had a chance to, you're a liar. In Houston, where they work seven man, most of your deep wings are the weakest position. They are either at the end of their career and don't move very well or they are At the beginning of their career and don't have a lot of experience. So I see nothing wrong with an R or anyone else working this position if he can do it. The fact that you say this is solicitation, must mean that's what you would do if you were working it. Just because you solicit doesn't mean everyone does. When i work a game, I go out To work it to get as many snaps in as I can. I guess if this made you mad because this R did it in the semi's, it's really gonna make you mad because there is an R doing it in the 6A D2 game on Saturday. Good for him. And by the way, pretty sure that the R that did this was picked for two championship games this weekend. (Both 5A) However the new rule would not allow him to work but only one. Good for him
I am not jealous bro, I am busy this weekend. To say that deep wings in the Houston Chapter are weak is a flat out lie, we are the only chapter that has 7 man crews so we are obviously more progressed for obvious reasons. I am not mad at all because a grown man worked deep wing in hopes of getting another game, I actually am the opposite, its funny because you know he did that and apparently also talked to a female at one point to get a game...a high...school...football....game...lol...reality check...
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Don't steal my line.
I absolutely never said he slept with anyone, he may be the real life 40 year old virgin. He admitted to having a conversation with the coach's wife and introducing himself as a referee blah blah blah then he was selected by that coach the next week.
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Don't steal my line.
I absolutely never said he slept with anyone, he may be the real life 40 year old virgin. He admitted to having a conversation with the coach's wife and introducing himself as a referee blah blah blah then he was selected by that coach the next week.
If anyone seriously believes that a coach picked a crew based on a elevator ride with a coaches wife -- I guess there are other conspiracies I can sell you on. Was it wrong to have a conversation -- maybe. But, if that was all there was to it, and you think that was the reason you think he got picked -- you do not have a very high opinion of what coaches go through to make picks.
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If anyone seriously believes that a coach picked a crew based on a elevator ride with a coaches wife -- I guess there are other conspiracies I can sell you on. Was it wrong to have a conversation -- maybe. But, if that was all there was to it, and you think that was the reason you think he got picked -- you do not have a very high opinion of what coaches go through to make picks.
That was definitely not the sole reason he got the game, but it was the reason his name was mentioned. The coach heard the name from his wife who knew the playoff game he worked that weekend so the coach then called around and ended up picking him.