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Texas Topics / Re: TASO dues
« Last post by JasonTX on July 18, 2026, 06:38:02 PM »
I'm hearing that next year will be two days of training sessions.  I can remember when it was like that, so you got more bang for your buck.  I always learn something new at the state meeting and have never missed one.  I get to meet guys like those of you on here in person and that alone is worth the cost.
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Texas Topics / Re: TASO dues
« Last post by dammitbobby on July 18, 2026, 01:19:30 PM »
I’m not sure that is necessarily so [TASO loses money every year…on the state meeting]. Hopefully not. The grumbling you may have heard has always been associated with the state meeting and always will be.
But to be fair, the economic squeeze is on all sides.. TASO football division, hosting chapters, and individual members... all making value choices versus costs.

TASO must cover considerable costs associated with the venue (auditorium, meeting rooms, side rooms for auctions, and any numerous additional equipment and venue charges for AV, lunch for participants, etc ), as well as website registration, transportation for guest speakers, and administrative costs for district and chapter officers, among other expenses. Also, TASO presently is not Texas sales tax exempt---not sure why.

The host chapter retains any profit or incurs any losses from all side events related to the meeting (e.g., golf, run, social events, silent auction, 50/50, etc.). Organizing early and moving early to secure outside sponsors is key. Most chapters, if not all, are Texas sales tax exempt and can avoid tax costs when running these events. Also, by TASO policy, if a chapter hosts it may not offer a rules clinic which may hurt some chapters that use the clinic as a revenue stream to offset other chapter operating costs. Hosting the state meeting then means work to cover the offset.

The state meeting is never going to satisfy everyone, and neither are the annual fees. Since we have “paid for it” through our dues, the decision to attend often comes down to two competing ideas: the “value of access”—the chance to hear quality teaching, network with others, and get perspective; and (2) the “opportunity cost”—what that time and money could be used for instead. When people are honest about what matters most to them and what they personally expect to gain, the different levels of enthusiasm make more sense. The state meeting means more to some people than others, but I think it comes down to being honest about what’s truly valuable. I think TASO is trying to balance that. 

For some members, the state meeting is valuable because it offers access to expertise, connections, and a structured chance to learn or confirm best practices. Even if the information isn’t entirely “new,” the credibility of hearing it from a respected source and the opportunity to reframe what you already know can still be worth the time and cost. For those who have been involved for a long time, the content may be less likely to introduce completely unfamiliar concepts, but it may still provide value through reinforcement, refinement, and motivation—especially if it helps them apply what they already know more effectively in their own setting.

At the same time, not everyone weighs that type of value the same way. Some members measure value more directly in practical economic terms: the cost of time away from work or family, the expense of participation (location, distance, hotel, food, time), and whether the return justifies those costs. For those people, the chance of hearing something genuinely new may be the key factor that makes the meeting “worth it.” If that chance feels low—because they’ve been through many trainings already—then the meeting can feel like a poor tradeoff compared to other opportunities such as local chapter events or independent learning. That can be also be some source of the grumbling.

I think getting involved is the key. District Directors should seek and hear feedback on what the state meeting should be and be open to changing the agenda every year to create a new value question… and the membership should be providing that feedback to them. Certainly, the state agenda has changed the past couple years away from numerous targeted topical and positional breakouts as it was for years to much more TASO business and awards, motivational speakers, and coaches’ roundtable discussion. That definitely can affect the value equation for people to gauge regarding the education fee.

I don’t know the economics behind the online rules clinic, but web development and hosting costs are not cheap.  And I think there is an implied encouragement fee included to induce attendance at TASO instructor led education and interaction with others because after all, we are in the people engagement business in officiating.

I sat in on the chapter officers/directors meeting last year, and this was discussed (the training fee increase), and as I recall, that is what was given as the primary reason. I do know when we hosted, for at least one thing, TASO insisted on using "their" vendor from DFW for certain things, when we had identified cheaper local contractors (I think it had to do with running cables for AV setup/teardown, or something similar.) I believe TASO's vendor was ~10k more than the local one, for whatever the service was.
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General Discussion / Re: Clock operator checklist/cheat sheets?
« Last post by TxJim on July 18, 2026, 11:36:55 AM »
Turn the freaking tenths and the horn off before every game, because most schools are too stupid to do it on their own and/or they think it’s like basketball where the clock needs to show tenths and have a horn.

Many times we have new members doing the clocks. Are Daktronics board used at most high school venues?
A simple on how to gouge for these would be helpful....  how to turn off the horn, turn off tenths, reset time, 10-sec subtraction.
That might be a valuable handout for the R to have in his bag if newbies show up to time.
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Texas Topics / Re: TASO dues
« Last post by TxJim on July 18, 2026, 11:26:41 AM »
I’m not sure that is necessarily so [TASO loses money every year…on the state meeting]. Hopefully not. The grumbling you may have heard has always been associated with the state meeting and always will be.
But to be fair, the economic squeeze is on all sides.. TASO football division, hosting chapters, and individual members... all making value choices versus costs.

TASO must cover considerable costs associated with the venue (auditorium, meeting rooms, side rooms for auctions, and any numerous additional equipment and venue charges for AV, lunch for participants, etc ), as well as website registration, transportation for guest speakers, and administrative costs for district and chapter officers, among other expenses. Also, TASO presently is not Texas sales tax exempt---not sure why.

The host chapter retains any profit or incurs any losses from all side events related to the meeting (e.g., golf, run, social events, silent auction, 50/50, etc.). Organizing early and moving early to secure outside sponsors is key. Most chapters, if not all, are Texas sales tax exempt and can avoid tax costs when running these events. Also, by TASO policy, if a chapter hosts it may not offer a rules clinic which may hurt some chapters that use the clinic as a revenue stream to offset other chapter operating costs. Hosting the state meeting then means work to cover the offset.

The state meeting is never going to satisfy everyone, and neither are the annual fees. Since we have “paid for it” through our dues, the decision to attend often comes down to two competing ideas: the “value of access”—the chance to hear quality teaching, network with others, and get perspective; and (2) the “opportunity cost”—what that time and money could be used for instead. When people are honest about what matters most to them and what they personally expect to gain, the different levels of enthusiasm make more sense. The state meeting means more to some people than others, but I think it comes down to being honest about what’s truly valuable. I think TASO is trying to balance that. 

For some members, the state meeting is valuable because it offers access to expertise, connections, and a structured chance to learn or confirm best practices. Even if the information isn’t entirely “new,” the credibility of hearing it from a respected source and the opportunity to reframe what you already know can still be worth the time and cost. For those who have been involved for a long time, the content may be less likely to introduce completely unfamiliar concepts, but it may still provide value through reinforcement, refinement, and motivation—especially if it helps them apply what they already know more effectively in their own setting.

At the same time, not everyone weighs that type of value the same way. Some members measure value more directly in practical economic terms: the cost of time away from work or family, the expense of participation (location, distance, hotel, food, time), and whether the return justifies those costs. For those people, the chance of hearing something genuinely new may be the key factor that makes the meeting “worth it.” If that chance feels low—because they’ve been through many trainings already—then the meeting can feel like a poor tradeoff compared to other opportunities such as local chapter events or independent learning. That can be also be some source of the grumbling.

I think getting involved is the key. District Directors should seek and hear feedback on what the state meeting should be and be open to changing the agenda every year to create a new value question… and the membership should be providing that feedback to them. Certainly, the state agenda has changed the past couple years away from numerous targeted topical and positional breakouts as it was for years to much more TASO business and awards, motivational speakers, and coaches’ roundtable discussion. That definitely can affect the value equation for people to gauge regarding the education fee.

I don’t know the economics behind the online rules clinic, but web development and hosting costs are not cheap.  And I think there is an implied encouragement fee included to induce attendance at TASO instructor led education and interaction with others because after all, we are in the people engagement business in officiating.


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From Ralph;
Yo, Patrick-
Enjoy your journey to Windy Indy. I'll be out on my 'party barge' (pontoon boat) at our lakeside cottage and probably not thinking about football. A few situations that probably warrent discussions are:

(1) Free kick near sidelines near but not OOB touched by OOB R.  ^flag or no.

(2) Remove restrictions on where sweatbands can be worn. (VOTE 28-23, but not required 34-super majority needed).

(3) A team can burn a TO to allow an injured player to re-enter (VOTE 30-21 -see above)

(4) Remove 5-yard facemask penalty (VOTE: 27-24 - see above,above)


Our state chief specifically asked the FED about the because of the confusion caused by the casebook example and other wild thoughts.
FED said it is where the ball is when touched.  If touched on the inbounds side of the sideline, the toucher put it out. If touched on the out of bounds side of the sideline, the kicker put it out.
The rule is different in NCAA which also causes confusion with those officials that do both.
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Texas Topics / Re: TASO dues
« Last post by dammitbobby on July 17, 2026, 07:52:23 PM »
Supposedly, TASO loses money every year on what they pay for, for the state meeting... hence, a fee, to help recoup those costs, and to help make it "more affordable" to attend the state meeting.

 I talked to a fair amount of people there this year, and there was a LOT of grumbling about the fee, especially for the few from the more far-flung reaches of the state, where it's economically not practical to attend. for many officials. 

I think a reasonable compromise (since they're never going to give up the free pot of money they figured out they could squeeze out of officials) would be that if you leave within 200 miles of the state meeting site, you pay the "fee" to help offset the costs that TASO says they hemorrhage every year for their part in putting on the state meeting, and if you live outside that, you don't have to pay it, and you can instead put that towards your regional clinic fee. 

The best solution is to determine why TASO can't stay solvent on state meeting costs.

related thread: https://www.refstripes.com/forum/index.php?topic=17632.0
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Texas Topics / Re: TASO dues
« Last post by skeeter on July 17, 2026, 07:42:04 PM »
Works in baseball.
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Texas Topics / Re: TASO dues
« Last post by Whodatboy18 on July 17, 2026, 05:56:08 PM »
Money for regional clinics goes back to the chapter. The online fee is just greed and encouraging people to attend in person. If online was free no one would show up to state.
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Texas Topics / TASO dues
« Last post by skeeter on July 17, 2026, 05:10:40 PM »
What is the deal with TASO FOOtBALL charging a education fee but we still have to pay full price for regional and online clinics?

Baseball charges an education fee but state and online clinic is free.

Something stinks........
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National Federation Discussion / Re: Rule 8 Editorial Changes
« Last post by BetweenTheLines on July 17, 2026, 07:46:28 AM »
The editorial change in says succeeding spot. there is no mention of KO.
2.41.10 The succeeding spot is where the ball would next be snapped or free kick... Rules 8-2-2, 8-2-3, 8-2-4, 8-2-5 the succeeding spot may, at the option of the offended team be subsequent KO
RESOLVING TIED GAMES
5-1-1 covers the succeeding spot carry over
3-1-1 SITUATION B covers the succeeding spot carry over
it would appear the rules committee have covered the options

It does so appear!
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