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NCAA Discussion / Re: Unusual Play
« Last post by dcs07 on October 18, 2026, 11:28:36 AM »
I know replay can’t overrule the interpretation but these things are crew calls right? Certainly don’t know which if any of the 9 felt differently. The whole thing from 4th down for East Texas to 1st down for HCU took less than 2 minutes. So if they felt differently they weren't listened to much.
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NCAA Discussion / Re: Unusual Play
« Last post by dammitbobby on October 18, 2026, 11:01:49 AM »
East Texas A&M at Houston Christian. Link to ESPN+ broadcast is in reply 3.

I suppose I’m always inclined to try and make the officials right. Don’t really want to see 8 officials and a replay official get a rule just wrong. Particularly when it’s such a huge swing from TD to 1/G at the 2 to the other teams ball.

As a thought exercise if you change the goal line in the AR to the line to gain then you’d return to the spot of the fumble. I suppose the goal line changes everything is a good reminder in these cases.

From the replay perspective, the booth doesn't make decisions or rulings outside of plays they can get involved in. While they can review the fumble (whether he was down, spot, etc.) and the recovery (in EZ or not, and who possessed it), they can "provide information" to the crew via O2O, but the ultimate decision of which rule applies and the end result rests with the whitehat and the other onfield officials.

I would hope that the booth personnel were aware of the correct ruling and what the outcome should have been, and gave the crew their opinion, but were just overruled by the whitehat.
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NCAA Discussion / Re: Unusual Play
« Last post by dcs07 on October 18, 2026, 10:48:25 AM »
East Texas A&M at Houston Christian. Link to ESPN+ broadcast is in reply 3.

I suppose I’m always inclined to try and make the officials right. Don’t really want to see 8 officials and a replay official get a rule just wrong. Particularly when it’s such a huge swing from TD to 1/G at the 2 to the other teams ball.

As a thought exercise if you change the goal line in the AR to the line to gain then you’d return to the spot of the fumble. I suppose the goal line changes everything is a good reminder in these cases.
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NCAA Discussion / Re: Unusual Play
« Last post by sj on October 18, 2026, 10:46:31 AM »
What game was it?
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NCAA Discussion / Re: Unusual Play
« Last post by Kalle on October 18, 2026, 10:30:23 AM »
Well, they chose the option of touchback. The closest AR I found was 8-5-1-XI. Its about a safety, impetus, and the 4th down fumble rule. It does seem to say a 4th down fumble beyond the goal line would "belong" to Team B.

To me 8-5-1-XI pretty well explains this. As the impetus is NOT by team B, rule 7-2-2-a-Ex2 governs, and the ball belongs to team A at B-2. You don't need to think any further.

The complete 8-5-1-XI resolves the problem of what should happen when 7-2-2-a-Ex2 and impetus by team B conflict. There are valid arguments for team A's ball at B-5, TD and safety, and the A.R. tells us that it is a safety. Your play situation is different in that there is no impetus by team B.
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NCAA Discussion / Re: Unusual Play
« Last post by dcs07 on October 18, 2026, 10:00:33 AM »
Yes it’s ESPN+. Someone more techy than me may can rip the clip. Honestly to watch college football in 2026 it’s pretty much impossible without ESPN or illegal streams.

In the AR it would also be the case that “the natural result of the down is a touchdown; but the 4th down fumble rule then applies, taking the ball to the spot of the fumble.” So how does the AR get to a safety? (I know it’s the approved ruling so if it says safety it’s a safety, but we’d like these things to match the rules right?)
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NCAA Discussion / Re: Unusual Play
« Last post by ElvisLives on October 18, 2026, 09:21:50 AM »
Video at 13:31 here: https://www.espn.com/watch/player/_/id/7530a8bf-116c-4b6c-8aba-7f70102e3a95

Well, they chose the option of touchback. The closest AR I found was 8-5-1-XI. Its about a safety, impetus, and the 4th down fumble rule. It does seem to say a 4th down fumble beyond the goal line would "belong" to Team B.

In AR 8-5-1-XI, the impetus is from Team B's legal batting. They are responsible for the ball being dead behind their own goal line (even though it was recovered by Team A).
The problem here is that the impetus is from A6's fumble, not from B8's action that caused the fumble. That being the case, the natural result of the down is a touchdown; but the 4th down fumble rule then applies, taking the ball to the spot of the fumble, with Team A retaining the ball. Touchback really isn't an option.

(And, the video link appears to be some kind of subscription service.)
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NCAA Discussion / Re: Unusual Play
« Last post by dcs07 on October 18, 2026, 08:55:20 AM »
Video at 13:31 here: https://www.espn.com/watch/player/_/id/7530a8bf-116c-4b6c-8aba-7f70102e3a95

Well, they chose the option of touchback. The closest AR I found was 8-5-1-XI. Its about a safety, impetus, and the 4th down fumble rule. It does seem to say a 4th down fumble beyond the goal line would "belong" to Team B.
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NCAA Discussion / Re: Unusual Play
« Last post by ElvisLives on October 18, 2026, 05:44:16 AM »
Curious to hear the ruling on the field. Why would it be anything other than what Kalle offered?
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NCAA Discussion / Re: Unusual Play
« Last post by Kalle on October 18, 2026, 04:32:39 AM »
A 1/G B-2, 40, snap?
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