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Texas Topics / Re: Approved NCAA rule changes
« Last post by ElvisLives on April 13, 2026, 04:38:22 PM »
I was reading Nelson's book the other day and came across that it was the 1932 rules committee that made "knee guards" mandatory, and ironically, in 1933, helmets were merely recommended, before those too were made mandatory in 1939. So, almost 95 years later, still putzing with it.

In 1931, there were 49 deaths in the U.S. in football, almost all due to head injuries. Nelson used the word “crisis” in discussing this, and the rule change to require padding on hard surfaces, and for knee pads. I’ve been telling everybody that knee pads were to protect heads - not knees. Maybe not so much after hard-shell helmets came about. But, definitely prior to hard-shell helmets.
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NCAA Discussion / Re: Rules Changes Document
« Last post by ElvisLives on April 13, 2026, 02:41:47 PM »
Yes it's a foul at the snap, but we would/should know that B can't use the numbering exceptions in the gate, so they would have to shift back or they can't run a legal play. (assuming, of course, that they actually invoked the exception in the first place.)

Really hope we get a precise rule and ARs out of this.

“B” ? I think meant “A”. (?)

The current ‘rules’ don’t truly address offset formations, which are the problem. Shaw issued rulings, by bulletin play situations, that pretty well make ‘swinging gate’ formations NOT scrimmage kick formations, so Team A must comply with mandatory numbering. But coaches don’t read/study rules, so they don’t know that the ‘gate’ isn’t a SKF, and they must comply with mandatory numbering. Then they challenge us and tell us we don’t know the rules, blah, blah, blah…
So, I am hoping this new rule will explicitly REQUIRE that, in addition to all of the current SKF requirements, there must be two linemen on each side of the snapper, in order to qualify as a SKF, and permit numbering exceptions. The snapper and those four linemen would be ineligible by position, even if one of those linemen is positioned on the end of the line. Then by rule, a swinging gate formation would not qualify as a SKF. They may still use a ‘gate’ formation, but they must comply with mandatory numbering, and the snapper doesn’t have any special protection (as he would in a true SKF).
Having two ineligible linemen on each side of the snapper renders a swinging gate formation pretty much useless. But, we’ll probaby still see it, even if we get the rule I am hoping for.
But, we musty stay tuned. I am hearing that some number of NCAA coaches don’t like this SKF proposal. The PROP meets on Wednesday, so, who knows what we’ll end up with.
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NCAA Discussion / Re: Rules Changes Document
« Last post by dammitbobby on April 13, 2026, 01:04:53 PM »
Yes it's a foul at the snap, but we would/should know that B can't use the numbering exceptions in the gate, so they would have to shift back or they can't run a legal play. (assuming, of course, that they actually invoked the exception in the first place.)

Really hope we get a precise rule and ARs out of this.
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NCAA Discussion / Re: Rules Changes Document
« Last post by TxJim on April 13, 2026, 10:11:02 AM »
If this rule works like I am hoping it does, no swinging gate formation would qualify as an SKF, so they would be required to fully comply with mandatory numbering. Not illegal, but they wouldn’t qualify to use numbering exceptions.

It's still only a foul at the snap. I don't see this ending the gate though. I can still imagine there still some coaches out there setting his team up a in gate and shifting in an attempt to confuse Team B. But it does seem A now has new chances to confuse themselves and foul shifting from a gate into a legal SKF.... of course, all this depending on the final rule statement and new ARs.
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National Football League / Re: Regime; culture
« Last post by ElvisLives on April 13, 2026, 09:56:58 AM »
All good information, but the section I quoted above is not a new thing with the NFL (or with any other level of football officiating).  It might be more common now, but I have first-hand knowledge of a few officials who had this happen to them by the NFL about 40 years ago.  Also, a good friend who was in the Arena league many years later, spoke with one of the NFL leaders (not in leadership when the official in question was released) at a golf tournament and asked about one of those officials.  The leader's immediate words were, "he got screwed."

Sad, but true.
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National Football League / Re: Regime; culture
« Last post by Grant - AR on April 13, 2026, 09:42:31 AM »
I will go on record as saying that nearly all of the non-favorites are exceptional officials, who deserve to be in the NFL, and belong there. Yet, almost every year, one or more of these exceptional officials get released for ‘poor performance.’ Leading up to their dismissal, the execs search for things - almost anything - they can find to downgrade these non-favorites. By doing so, and releasing these folks, the execs can claim they are holding officials accountable, and making officiating better.

All good information, but the section I quoted above is not a new thing with the NFL (or with any other level of football officiating).  It might be more common now, but I have first-hand knowledge of a few officials who had this happen to them by the NFL about 40 years ago.  Also, a good friend who was in the Arena league many years later, spoke with one of the NFL leaders (not in leadership when the official in question was released) at a golf tournament and asked about one of those officials.  The leader's immediate words were, "he got screwed." 
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National Football League / Re: Regime; culture
« Last post by oldtimerref on April 12, 2026, 10:15:10 PM »
Regardless of what is said, the man never worked  on the field  in  fact he was an intern for Jerry Seeman VP of officials. Jerry saw that he was a great student of rules and gave him the job to design a REPLAY SYSTEM.  i  never heard that there was ever any intent for him to be anything more. Again it would be interesting to see the man work a good high school game in Texas.
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National Football League / Re: Regime; culture
« Last post by dammitbobby on April 12, 2026, 07:10:50 PM »
The NFL  has created this problem by allowing a V.P.  to run the operation unchecked. Having ex coaches as raters is almost laughable. In order to bring in new officials ,I  know of examples of several young men working high school 3 years , college next 3, then promoted to power 4 conference the next year. Several years later to NFL even if possibly not ready. I was mocked for questioning replay officials never having worked any football on the field and now if replacements are used these people are going to HELP with on field calls. The current UFL VP of officials has never been an official on the field and I would really like to see him on field even in a high school game. It would be interesting. It appears that the current situation in the NFL deals more with lawyers, unions and law suits than officiating. WHAT NEXT!!!!!



The only person I know of who you could be referencing would be Dean Blandino, and honestly, he's the exception to the rule. He is indisputably a rules savant for every league/conference he's ever worked for, and IMO has made significant improvements and contributions to officiating.
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NCAA Discussion / Re: Rules Changes Document
« Last post by ElvisLives on April 12, 2026, 01:51:52 PM »
Some playclocks are programmed to be either 25 or 40.  There is no function  to set them at 10 seconds on the ones I have ran.  I guess they can put it on 25 and run it down to 10 if that ever comes into play.

Yeah, they’d have to run it down to get anything between 25 and 40, or less than 25. Least of my replay complaints. I liked replay to fix a missed touching of the ball, step out of bounds, ball touching ground before firm hold of ball, etc. Not a fan of using it for much of anything else.
(Says the guy (R) that holds the FBS record for longest replay review in history. 😒)
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NCAA Discussion / Re: Rules Changes Document
« Last post by JasonTX on April 12, 2026, 01:16:47 PM »
Some playclocks are programmed to be either 25 or 40.  There is no function  to set them at 10 seconds on the ones I have ran.  I guess they can put it on 25 and run it down to 10 if that ever comes into play.
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