Targeting vs. DPI

[Korean_Hap]

Last play of the game from B-17. While jumping to reach a pass A80 gets hit helmet to helmet in the endzone. The catchable pass lands incomplete.

If team A is down 4 points the diffrent spots would be a huge difference. What do you call?

[younggun]

This is one of those fouls that the new 'rules' this year are going to clear up. You can have DPI via targeting (early contact/not playing the ball). The DPI should be enforced, just like the roughing the passer via targeting or a late hit via targeting. In any/all of these if the foul for targeting gets overturned by replay you still enforce the 15 yards or in the case of DPI the spot foul, because there was still a foul it was just via targeting.

Anyone... thoughts?

[Kalle]

1st and 10 from B-2, untimed down. If team A wants to intentionally foul to get a better angle, I don't have a problem with that.

[Legacy Zebra]

Is this considered one foul or two? If it's two, just ask the coach what he wants, half the distance for targeting or at the B2 for DPI. If it's one, I'm with Kalle, put it at the 2 and let A take a penalty if they want it further back.

[jg-me]

We don't need a new rule for this situation. There is already a rule that covers DPI that is also a PF (7-3-9-e). It can be ruled as either. If half the distance should happen to be a better option for A they are welcome to accept that choice - no 'intentionally fouling' to create a better angle would be necessary.

[Legacy Zebra]

You're right jg, 7-3-9-e covers DPI vs. PF, I had forgot about that. But what about roughing the passer? After A1 releases a pass and before that pass is caught , B99 charges into him late and initiates contact above the neck of A1. If you rule it as targeting, it's 15 from the previous spot because it occurred during a pass play. But if you rule it roughing the passer, it's tacked on at the end of the play. If you rule it roughing the passer, can you still disqualify B99 for the targeting action?

[Etref]

You're right jg, 7-3-9-e covers DPI vs. PF, I had forgot about that. But what about roughing the passer? After A1 releases a pass and before that pass is caught , B99 charges into him late and initiates contact above the neck of A1. If you rule it as targeting, it's 15 from the previous spot because it occurred during a pass play. But if you rule it roughing the passer, it's tacked on at the end of the play. If you rule it roughing the passer, can you still disqualify B99 for the targeting action?

Yes!

[younggun]

Like I said before... RR already talked about this and this is the way the new replay rule works. If you apply the replay rule to a game that does not use replay (as stupid as that sounds) then you are going to enforce the foul which will hurt Team B the worse and still DQ.

[jg-me]

Quite certain RR has also stated that the play you described would be announced as "roughing the passer by targeting" and enforced as Roughing and the offending player is DQ'd.

[younggun]

Correct...