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Observations from Two Years of Evaluating
« on: April 09, 2014, 03:22:16 PM »
After two years of sitting in the stands and evaluating crews for our state office, here are some things I see common at the high school varsity level:
1. Lack of rule knowledge. Every game but one, there was at least one rule misapplied. I wish I could say it was the same rule, but it was not. Everything from fouls during multiple turnovers to marking off full penalties instead of half-the-distance. I advise the white hats to give each crew member to  an assignment on one facet of the rules weekly, and be prepared to a short presentation on that rule during pre-game. I also advise them to devote more time in the casebook. 
2. Lack of sideline control. Probably common in most states. Everyone seems to think it is ok for coaches to call signals from the field, then step in the box before the snap. And no can count to three.
3. Lack of communication. Common to all, but what really surprised me was the lack of R to U communication. Maybe I talked to much during my days, but I see too many spots being changed after the U sets it down the first time.
4. Letting plays run when not everyone has the same down. I try and tell them, if one of you has a different down, kill it before the snap and get together to talk. Too many times I was the only one that had 2nd down, and after we talked, we all had second down. don;t think because you are the only one with 2 fingers up, you must be wrong.
5. Lack of coverage for medium length passes, 10-20 yards. I know the new mechanics have cut down on the amount of movement in NCAA, but in a five man crew the wings must get downfield at least a little. If the back judge gets taken deep, those over the middle curls 15 yards downfield are tough to cover from the LOS. Also, once the ball is thrown, U has responsibility to help out simply by turning his head. if 65 hasn't held before the pass, it doesn't matter if he is held after the ball is 20 yards downfield. turn your head and help out.
6. Back judges that should be charged admission. I have seen them line up 25-30 yard deep and never move in. I know you have to keep everything in front of you, but seriously? Get involved in the game.
7. Ball rotation. Tough in a high school environment, but there are some simple things that can help. Not the least is keeping the ball boy on your hip. Don't be afraid to tell the coach his ball boy is more interested in the cheerleaders than his job. After PAT's and FG's, have your next ball ready to go.
8. Letting play start before RFP. Really. Both kicks and scrimmage plays. Just really no reason for this to happen except that everybody fell asleep. Watch the body language of the center, QB or kicker. It will give it away before it happens.
9. Thinking six man crew means you can rest. Not on your life.
10. Not getting feedback from Evaluator.  If you take the job, even if it's not required, you owe it to your brothers in stripes to communication what you see.  Visit with them after the game briefly and follow-up with an email. Mine goes to the white hat and I tell him he can share it or not, it's up to him. usually, mine is pretty detailed.

Hope this helps.
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Re: Observations from Two Years of Evaluating
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2014, 05:43:09 PM »
I hope there is a nice list to go along with this one. :sTiR:

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Re: Observations from Two Years of Evaluating
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2014, 06:08:08 PM »
Bus, add Lazy as #11 on the list, and let everyone draw their own conclusion. I'm sure this will ruffle a few feathers, but it is what it is. 2013 was my first year in the booth, and were my eyes ever opened!  :sTiR:
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Re: Observations from Two Years of Evaluating
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2014, 08:01:46 PM »
Welcome to my world!

1. Lack of rule knowledge. - Often it's a penalty enforcement.  There is NO excuse for this at the Varsity level.  I don't like bad judgment, but at least that's an opinion and I can't argue about it.  But rules and enforcement mistakes at this level are inexcusable.
2. Lack of sideline control. - Not a big issue in our games.  Yes, our coach will step out a step or two to make the play call, but before the snapper's hands are on the ball, ALL coaches are out of the box, and all players are two yards behind that.  Our officials appreciate the wide open space to work during the play, and aren't too concerned between plays.  It's a happy, working medium.
3. Lack of communication. - Not a big problem here.
4. Letting plays run when not everyone has the same down. - I really don't see this one at all.
5. Lack of coverage for medium length passes, 10-20 yards.  - Since we have 6 or 7 man crews, this isn't really an issue.
6. Back judges that should be charged admission. - 6 or 7 man crews and a real passing attack, this is a non-issue for us.
7. Ball rotation.  - Not too bad of an issue.  Our ball boys are walking wounded players.  If they aren't paying attention, I will kick their butts long before they become a problem to the officials.
8. Letting play start before RFP.  - Never seen it happen.
9. Thinking six man crew means you can rest. Not on your life. - Another non-issue, it's how our crews have worked for years,
10. Not getting feedback from Evaluator.  - Can't speak to this one.
11.  Lazy - This one is hit or miss, and I can usually tell it by the time we're done the first kickoff, if not during the pregame.  And it's always a whole crew thing, either they are all lazy, or they are all busting their butts.  I rarely see a lazy crew member on a well moving crew.  On the other hand, I rarely see a hustling crew member on a lazy crew. 

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Re: Observations from Two Years of Evaluating
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2014, 10:34:56 PM »
Under #2, what does "three" have to do with anything?

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Re: Observations from Two Years of Evaluating
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2014, 06:42:54 AM »
Under #2, what does "three" have to do with anything?
During the dead ball period, there can be a maximum of three coaches in the two yard band.  Once the ball is live, there can't be any. (9-8-3)

As long as the band is clear during play, I have never had any official be concerned over 4, 5 or even 6 coaches in the band as long as they are gone when the ball is snapped.

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Re: Observations from Two Years of Evaluating
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2014, 07:17:26 AM »
Yes, our coach will step out a step or two to make the play call <snip>

Why?  That's precisely what the two-yard belt is for.

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Re: Observations from Two Years of Evaluating
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2014, 08:21:16 AM »
AB -
#4 - Good. They hide it well.  Like in baseball, you and I have NEVER forgotten the count (as far as any coach knows!)

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Re: Observations from Two Years of Evaluating
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2014, 08:55:25 AM »
AB -
#4 - Good. They hide it well.  Like in baseball, you and I have NEVER forgotten the count (as far as any coach knows!)
They may be hiding it well.  I've just never seen one official signaling 3rd down while another is signaling 2nd, and then letting the play go.  I've seen some have different downs, particularly after a penalty admin, but they have come together to check it (good for them).  Unfortunately, I saw one case where they came together and settled on the WRONG down  But it was in our favor, so I figured it wasn't my place to correct them.

And unfortunately, coaches (and players, and fans, and the media) sometimes know when I forget the count in baseball as well.  You never feel dumber than when you ring up a called third strike, only to have it be strike 2.

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Re: Observations from Two Years of Evaluating
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2014, 09:02:59 AM »
Why?  That's precisely what the two-yard belt is for.
In theory, yes.  But in reality, as you have players coming in and players going out, that two yard belt can (legally) fill up during the dead ball period.  In order for the QB to see the call (we signal in all play calls), the signaling coach will sometimes step a yard or two on the field to be in front of the crowd.

Technically illegal?  Absolutely.  But our sideline really is a joy to work for officials in terms of space.  When that snapper stands over the ball, the belt is clear, and even the next two yards only have a few coaches, players are at least 4 yards off the field. A few years ago, a crew from South Georgia that we don't normally see told our head coach we could give a clinic in sideline management.

So, since there is never a problem during a play, no official has ever minded if we take a little liberty during the dead ball period. I fully believe if we were bad about managing the restricted area during the play, they wouldn't be as lenient between plays.  But as it is now, we make sure they have room to work, and they don't try to be super strict between plays.

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Re: Observations from Two Years of Evaluating
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2014, 11:50:27 AM »
Positioning mechanics has been a challenge, especially for the ole' vets, who when on the wing feel they still should play on the tight end's shoelaces. Everyone is finally getting on board with the "wider is better" philosophy, so we're improving there. Same holds true for the white hat keeping an empty 5 yard belt between himself and a scrambling QB. It is a frantic feeling  :!# when the QB scrambles behind you, and you become his shield :o! On the rules end, I fear we error more on Rule 10 than the other 9 combined, getting some to understand how to locate the enforcement spot is always a challenge :-[.It is rare, however, that an offended coach will speak up when the enforcement is goofed :o up. This tells me : (A) the coaches don't mind a mistake or two and shrug it off ; (2) the coaches made the mistake of thinking the white hat knew what he was talking about :).

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Re: Observations from Two Years of Evaluating
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2014, 12:05:56 PM »
Coaches don't mind mistakes when the mistake favors their team. Heaven help the crew when the mistake favors the other team. Just sayin'.  pi1eOn
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Re: Observations from Two Years of Evaluating
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2014, 01:54:28 PM »
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As long as the band is clear during play, I have never had any official be concerned over 4, 5 or even 6 coaches in the band as long as they are gone when the ball is snapped.

That is why I asked.  I honestly thought they had revised that when the change was made 3-4 years ago about no one being in the restricted area during the live ball.  The prior rule allowed up to three during the live ball IIRC before the change.

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Re: Observations from Two Years of Evaluating
« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2014, 02:20:58 PM »
Constructive criticism can often be difficult to listen to, especially when it's directed at a group.  Long ago my parents had an effective way of dealing with "hurt feelings" when a specific suggestion may not have applied to one of us.  "If the shoe ftis, wear it, if it doesn't fit, it's not yours, so don't try it on", has the benefit of suggesting those who are guilty, need stop doing something, as well as those who are not guilty, are warned about the dangers of starting something.

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Re: Observations from Two Years of Evaluating
« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2014, 02:51:55 PM »
The problem there is so many of those shoes should fit. It's the wearer who often refuses to recognize that fact.
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Re: Observations from Two Years of Evaluating
« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2014, 02:59:58 PM »
Of course, I won't pretend to speak for everyone, but I'm always in favor of being evaluated - I'm human, and I can slip into habits that I shouldn't, and the more I'm evaluated, the sooner I can correct things. 

The past couple of years, I've actually asked to be evaluated more by fellow officials.  I've only been evaluated at R once or twice in the last three years, and I'm still worried (maybe too much) about how I look as a white hat.

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Re: Observations from Two Years of Evaluating
« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2014, 03:01:34 PM »
It is rare, however, that an offended coach will speak up when the enforcement is goofed :o up. This tells me : (A) the coaches don't mind a mistake or two and shrug it off ; (2) the coaches made the mistake of thinking the white hat knew what he was talking about :).
It's much simpler than that - most coaches have no idea!  Rules knowledge among most coaches just isn't that good.  If they don't see it on TV on Saturday, then it must not be a rule in HS either.

Sure, there are exceptions, and I try to be one of them.  But the vast majority have no idea if an enforcement is correct or not.  And for those that do know, on average, half the time, it's going to go in their favor anyway.

So the percentage of mismarked penalties that get a legitimate complaint are pretty small.


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Re: Observations from Two Years of Evaluating
« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2014, 04:04:27 AM »
I think a list like this should try to look at the reasons.
Are people being lazy on the 6-man when they weren't on the 5-man, or do they not understand their keys and duties as well?
Was it a slip in concentration, or a re-occuring problem? For instance under penalty enforcement, is it a new change that isn't sitting well yet, or is it just walking of 15 on a holding by mistake...

For #10 - I think the best way to evaluate this is if you give someone feedback and they try to justify each point, or if they take it in and say they will work on them.

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Re: Observations from Two Years of Evaluating
« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2014, 12:12:56 PM »
In addition, if I may add:
U's thinking there is an imaginary wall that does not allow them outside the hash marks during downs.

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Re: Observations from Two Years of Evaluating
« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2014, 01:32:58 PM »
Of course, I won't pretend to speak for everyone, but I'm always in favor of being evaluated - I'm human, and I can slip into habits that I shouldn't, and the more I'm evaluated, the sooner I can correct things. 

Me too, as long as the evaluator is competent.  We had one this past season that suggested at halftime that my BJ & LJ use mechanics that were changed statewide 5 years ago.

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Re: Observations from Two Years of Evaluating
« Reply #20 on: April 11, 2014, 02:10:51 PM »
Steve -
Agreed. I tell them those are hash marks, not land mines.

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Re: Observations from Two Years of Evaluating
« Reply #21 on: April 11, 2014, 03:54:12 PM »
...as long as the evaluator is competent.  We had one this past season that suggested at halftime that my BJ & LJ use mechanics that were changed statewide 5 years ago.
Bus will agree we fight some of the same problem.
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Re: Observations from Two Years of Evaluating
« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2014, 08:45:18 AM »
Me too, as long as the evaluator is competent.  We had one this past season that suggested at halftime that my BJ & LJ use mechanics that were changed statewide 5 years ago.

Definitely.  After a couple years of struggling with this, our association now brings the evaluators in for a review of the mechanics that they're supposed to be watching for at the beginning of the season. Some of our evaluators have been off the field for several years (since before we started doing 7 man crews regularly), and needed to be taught what to watch for.