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Offline Ralph Damren

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The recent press release from a young, many say budding star, of the NFL announcing his retirement because of the danger involved may become the biggest black eye yet. Dating all the way back to our childhoods, from the time we pulled on our first helmets, our dreams were of someday playing in the NFL. My heroes  were Kyle Rote,Frank Gifford & Sam Huff (the Giants preceded the Patriots as New England's team back then). Gifford once suffered a season-ending concussion caused by an Eagle's ogre named Chuck Benarick, but I just chalked it up to "he'll play when he gets well".

So much for that bygone era, let's fast-forward to today....

We've all heard Ivy League doctors and scientists diagram the danger of the brain bouncing off the inside of ones skull, but those were Ivy League doctors and scientists, NOT NFL players whose dreams had came true. We've all heard of law suits from former players filed on their former teams for not properly treating concussion-like symptoms, but in today's "sue-happy" world, what else is new?  We now hear from a young ,budding NFL star stating that the game isn't worth the risk of debilitating injuries and a shorter life expectancy. IMHO, this will make it easier for Momma Bear to convince Baby Bear that the chess club is a better and safer alternative.

I value all of your opinions, what are yours on this issue? 

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Re: NFL guy sez' :"Not worth the risk"..what will Momma Bear say????
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2015, 07:43:16 AM »
Football, as we know it, will cease to exist.
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Re: NFL guy sez' :"Not worth the risk"..what will Momma Bear say????
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2015, 08:20:43 AM »
I wonder if there is a role we can play in "Madden" when the mommas get real football banned.
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Re: NFL guy sez' :"Not worth the risk"..what will Momma Bear say????
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2015, 08:49:56 AM »
Situations like Junior Seau's suicide get national coverage, but every NFL city has stories like Mike Webster living in his car in Pittsburgh (before he died), and Daryl Talley being in trouble in Buffalo.  Tony Dorsett says his daughters are afraid to be alone with him because of his depression and mood swings.

I agree with Rulesman.  If we were able to jump into the DeLorean and attend the 2030 state championship game, we might not recognize what we're seeing.

I don't have children, but I often ask my friends who do if they'll let them play football.  What surprises me most is not the number of people who say "no", but the number who say "absolutely not" without even a moment of hesitation.

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Re: NFL guy sez' :"Not worth the risk"..what will Momma Bear say????
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2015, 06:43:17 PM »
I would let my son play. He's more likely to get a concussion riding his bike or participating on a competitive cheer team. Believe it or not my son's HS swim team has 3-4 concussions per year.

That being said, I don't fault anyone who chooses not to participate. The risk is real. It's just not the most risky thing you can do.

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« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2015, 07:34:24 PM »
Believe it or not my son's HS swim team has 3-4 concussions per year.
How in the h3ll do kids get 3-4 concussions a year swimming?

Stop before your head gets to the wall!

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« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2015, 08:56:52 PM »

How in the h3ll do kids get 3-4 concussions a year swimming?

Stop before your head gets to the wall!

Had the same thought- they're doing it wrong!


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Re: NFL guy sez' :"Not worth the risk"..what will Momma Bear say????
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2015, 09:26:00 PM »
How in the h3ll do kids get 3-4 concussions a year swimming?

Stop before your head gets to the wall!
Variety of ways. One is head into wall on backstroke. One is weight training. One is slipping on the deck. In practice multiple kids are swimming in the same lane and someone could get kicked accidentally.

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Re: NFL guy sez' :"Not worth the risk"..what will Momma Bear say????
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2015, 08:21:07 AM »
I would let my son play. He's more likely to get a concussion riding his bike or participating on a competitive cheer team. Believe it or not my son's HS swim team has 3-4 concussions per year.

That being said, I don't fault anyone who chooses not to participate. The risk is real. It's just not the most risky thing you can do.
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No high school football related questions - yet.

While it is a rare year without a high school football related fatality, we need to keep in prospective the number of kids (1,000,000+) participating. I heard a few years ago that approx. 50 kids drown each year in the family swimming pool. Seems like a lot, but considering the millions of kids using the pools only a very small percentage.  Ours is a violent, contact sport and is easy for the media to poke at. It will always involve contact, but hopefully we can reduce the violence.

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Re: NFL guy sez' :"Not worth the risk"..what will Momma Bear say????
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2015, 07:58:56 AM »
I asked my brother for his thoughts regarding what he'd say if/when my 8 year old nephew asks.  To summarize:

* "Well, he's already asked once or twice. We told him we thought it was just too dangerous to play at his age, especially with all the other sports he does. Around the same time a kid on a friend's flag football team broke his leg and was in a cast all summer."  (My nephew already plays baseball and basketball, and is on swim team.)  "We used that as a 'you don't want that to happen to you, right?' We do not plan on letting him play football but may reconsider if he insists when he's older."

* "With everything I've seen I thing it's crazy to let kids play tackle football, especially young ones. I think football as it is now is in deep trouble."

I'm not sure I want my nephew playing, at his age level - especially if it's tackle football.  (The fact that he's tall and skinny like I used to be plays a part, I'll admit.  But it's not about his body, and all about his head.)  I'm also glad I have a daughter in this regard - as much as we've taught her that girls can do anything boys can do, I'm relieved that she's expressed absolutely no interest in football.  She's also expressed no interest in soccer or cheerleading - the other sports/activities with higher concussion risks - and I'm glad about that, too.  I'm glad that I don't think I'll ever have to have the "you're OK officiating it but you're not OK with me playing it" discussion down the road.

And to be completely honest, a couple of times I've even considered moving on to volleyball because of my own concerns.  It hasn't gotten to the point where it's been a serious consideration, but the thought's come up.  As much as I love this game, I never thought that the idea of quitting football for anything other than my health, or my ability to keep up with the kids, or just simple old age down the road (I'm 42 now) would ever cross my mind. 

I don't know what's going to happen down the road with me and where I stand, and I don't know what's going to happen with the future of this game.  But it seems pretty obvious to me that changes are going to have to come, at least at the high school and below levels, or we're going to see football .  Whether the game still resembles what we know and love right now...

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Re: NFL guy sez' :"Not worth the risk"..what will Momma Bear say????
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2015, 11:37:04 AM »
Nice post VA.  +1

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Re: NFL guy sez' :"Not worth the risk"..what will Momma Bear say????
« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2015, 07:49:06 PM »
Far too many people make the false assumption that HS football is the same game as the Collegiate or Professional levels of the game.  People familiar with the game understand there are serious advances in speed and skills between each level, and only a small percentage of players get to play (move up) at subsequent levelsany where the game is played harder and faster.

At the higher levels, coaching, facilities, preparation, precautions are all substantially elevated as the game gets faster and player skills dramatically improve, not to mention the game, at those higher levels, is played by young, and older, ADULTS, who like it or not, make their own decisions regardin risk vs reward, and their own personal situation. 

Their are far more children carrying life long physical problems forward from riding bikes, climbing trees, roller skates and running around not paying attention to their surroundings than from participating in well run organized sports.  Smart parents take a little extra effort to insure the program their children are participating is actually "well run".

The NFL player recently deciding to retire, apparently, based his decision on his own PERSONAL history of concussions and whatever reactions he (himself) has experienced and made an informed decision and choice.  Good for him, that's the smart thing to do, based on his situation and may, or just as likely may NOT, relate to anyone else.

It would be nice (perhaps naive to think so) if Madden Football and all other video football games ONLY showed properly executed tackles, blocks and other contacts.  An old saying that's still relevant,and applies to many facets of the game,  "Teach a player to block properly and he'll eventuall hold, sometimes.  Teach a player to hold and it's doubtful he'll ever bother to block properly."

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Re: NFL guy sez' :"Not worth the risk"..what will Momma Bear say????
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2015, 07:34:34 AM »
I played for 20 years, and I have to admit that I am now wondering what, if any, damage I am carrying around. Is it just my nature to not be good at peoples names and remembering faces, or did my sports choices influence it.
I don't have an answer, and loved playing, but I'm not sure I would get back on the field (if my body was still up for it that is)...

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Re: NFL guy sez' :"Not worth the risk"..what will Momma Bear say????
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2015, 09:26:54 AM »
This week, Georgia passed new restrictive rules regarding contact during practices.  Prior to the vote, there was a rep from the NFHS threatening/warning the GHSA that without passing these rules, they would be ripe for lawsuits (as the pending one in Illinois right now).

Obviously, the new rules won't PREVENT a lawsuit, but it is a mitigating action that shows the state is making an effort to "protect players".  The question over time will be, "Did you do enough?"

It's the lawyers that will end the game as we know it.

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Re: NFL guy sez' :"Not worth the risk"..what will Momma Bear say????
« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2015, 11:36:12 AM »
This week, Georgia passed new restrictive rules regarding contact during practices.  Prior to the vote, there was a rep from the NFHS threatening/warning the GHSA that without passing these rules, they would be ripe for lawsuits (as the pending one in Illinois right now).

Obviously, the new rules won't PREVENT a lawsuit, but it is a mitigating action that shows the state is making an effort to "protect players".  The question over time will be, "Did you do enough?"

It's the lawyers that will end the game as we know it.
Yep. 100% correct. And when you drop the flag for that flagrant hit and hear a bunch of whining from the offending team's sideline, be sure to remind the whiners of that fact.
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Re: NFL guy sez' :"Not worth the risk"..what will Momma Bear say????
« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2015, 03:49:31 PM »
It's the lawyers that will end the game as we know it.

And yet they will line their pockets with the spoils.

Yep. 100% correct. And when you drop the flag for that flagrant hit and hear a bunch of whining from the offending team's sideline, be sure to remind the whiners of that fact.

Same arguments when the restricted area came into being- "Why doncha jus' pay 'tenshun to thuh game, ref?"  Sadly they are the last to know or grasp the fact that in some small way, we might just be saving them the  job they love so well.

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Re: NFL guy sez' :"Not worth the risk"..what will Momma Bear say????
« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2015, 11:51:05 PM »
I have hope that the game can survive the next 5-10 years. Then I hope to see a turn around. Equipment will improve but mostly the mentality behind the game will change. As older coaches retire and especially parents who were raised on what we now know are dangerous plays and enforcement is improved the game will again be safe.

I would think that every one of us at one time or another has heard a parent telling a kid to  "just stick your helmet in his chest" (spear him). As the game weeds out the parents and coaches and I hate to say it some officials  who are the ones sending kids back in when they've had head injuries safety will improve.

Kids may sit out longer with injuries but hopefully it will make the game safer without making it non-contact.

I remember when helmets came to hockey. You would have thought the sky was falling now EVERYBODY from NHL players to officials wear helmets.