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Re: ACC crew suspension
« Reply #25 on: November 04, 2015, 03:36:28 PM »
Quote from: younggun on November 04, 2015, 07:59:51 AM
Which brings up the point... when if ever do you think the NCAA D1 will go to a national assignment basis and not conference officials?
Not anytime soon. The conferences do not want to give up that control.
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Re: ACC crew suspension
« Reply #26 on: November 05, 2015, 01:47:57 PM »
Interesting read at link below.  Replace NFL with (any major college conference), change the names, then apply to this situation.

Mr. Green seems like a class guy, and it must be very liberating for him in retirement to be able to speak his mind.  I think he's on to something here...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2015/11/05/nfl-referees-scott-green-dean-blandino-roger-goodell/75172686/
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Re: ACC crew suspension
« Reply #27 on: November 05, 2015, 02:12:18 PM »
So they suspend the crew but the guy who "scored" the winning TD gets player of the week honors in the ACC.   hEaDbAnG   ^no   ^flag   ???
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Re: ACC crew suspension
« Reply #28 on: November 05, 2015, 02:46:35 PM »
 I'm late on this but is there a way to flag a play from the replay booth?  Today it was stated there were  8 laterals, several were forward.  Just asking.
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Re: ACC crew suspension
« Reply #29 on: November 05, 2015, 02:56:21 PM »
Quote from: Cowman52 on November 05, 2015, 02:46:35 PM
I'm late on this but is there a way to flag a play from the replay booth?  Today it was stated there were  8 laterals, several were forward.  Just asking.
  Who is saying they were forward?
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Re: ACC crew suspension
« Reply #30 on: November 05, 2015, 04:00:58 PM »
On the video the backward passes (let us not talk about laterals even if the media likes the term) looked all legal to me.
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Re: ACC crew suspension
« Reply #31 on: November 05, 2015, 06:10:27 PM »
I read this thread tonight not knowing what I would fine especially with all the negative media coverage this has been receiving.

For what it's worth, I'd like to extend thanks to all of you for the support of these officials.  I am close friends with 3 of them, having know them for 15 years plus, and I will tell you, they are not having fun this week.  They have risen to the level many of us aspire to attain, because they're excellent at what they do, but no one saw something like this coming.  It is not the first time we have seen this, although not in a long while, and unfortunately, probably not the last.
Everyone here realizes this could happen to any of us.....and probably has to some of us.  However, this is the microscope the DI fellas operate under....the game is SO much larger than all of us.
To borrow a line from The Godfather, "This is the life we've chosen for ourselves"......it's unfortunate that any of us can be victims of our own success.
They will rebound and recover and have this behind them largely because all of us are brothers in what we do and understand we are not perfect, but we will be perfect in how we support one another.  So, thank you again.
I hope we all finish the season strong.
Yours in officiating,
Dave W :patrioticon:

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Re: ACC crew suspension
« Reply #32 on: November 06, 2015, 02:30:49 AM »
All my support to these guys. Suspending them for that play it's unfair.
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Re: ACC crew suspension
« Reply #33 on: November 06, 2015, 02:42:11 AM »
I'd like to clarify that even though I said early that the missed BIB was big, it is something that could have happened to any official. This is the nightmare play for us, action going on for a long time all over the field with players in non-standard positions. If nobody happens to be looking at it, it is going to be missed, and with all the backward passes going on, it is hard to concentrate on other action.

I agree with NCAA-SJ that this is what happens in the big leagues. You can get suspended for a mistake that in other circumstances would earn you only an "incorrect call" evaluation. This is something you cannot control so you must not let it get you down, but you need to forget it and move on. It isn't the end of life and I very much doubt that it would be the end of the career in DI.
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Re: ACC crew suspension
« Reply #34 on: November 08, 2015, 01:10:18 PM »
Another example of "replay officiating" occurred last night in the MSU/Nebraska game.  Admittedly, I admit I do not know the rule regarding a player going OOB and returning to be the first to touch a pass - other than what was discussed during the broadcast.  However, I do know what I saw on multiple replays (i.e., the Nebraska player was NOT forced out).

Without skewering every replay official, we have witnessed some mind-numbing decisions by these guys recently (including this one). pi1eOn pi1eOn

My question is: IS REPLAY RUINING COLLEGE FOOTBALL? :sTiR: :sTiR:

Earlier, someone mentioned "officiating to replay" - which seems to me to be more prevalent each week.  Is this what replay is designed for?  More and more plays are being "reviewed" resulting in the game being slowed to snail's pace.  What are the directions given to replay officials?  Are they paid the same as game officials? Do the instructions and game fees differ from conference to conference? :!# :!# :!# :!# :!# 

   
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« Reply #35 on: November 08, 2015, 03:02:54 PM »
Replay cannot creat a foul for this so you are way off base.


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Re: ACC crew suspension
« Reply #36 on: November 08, 2015, 03:14:34 PM »
Quote from: TxSkyBolt on November 08, 2015, 03:02:54 PM
Replay cannot creat a foul for this so you are way off base.


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So why was it reviewed for being forced out or not?  It may not have been a "foul" but it shouldn't have been a legal catch.... ^no

And what about the other points? eAt& :angel:
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« Reply #37 on: November 08, 2015, 03:23:53 PM »
What are the directions given to replay officials?  Are they paid the same as game officials? Do the instructions and game fees differ from conference to conference? :!# :!# :!# :!# :!# 

 
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ROs do not receive the same pay as on field officials and fees vary by conference.  The replay case book is available, you should get a copy to be more informed. Knowledge is key.




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Re: ACC crew suspension
« Reply #38 on: November 08, 2015, 03:55:48 PM »
Quote from: TxSkyBolt on November 08, 2015, 03:23:53 PM
What are the directions given to replay officials?  Are they paid the same as game officials? Do the instructions and game fees differ from conference to conference? :!# :!# :!# :!# :!# 

 

ROs do not receive the same pay as on field officials and fees vary by conference.  The replay case book is available, you should get a copy to be more informed.

What a good idea!

Knowledge is key.

That's why I'm asking the question about a review of the force-out/not.  But thanks for your keen insight! tiphat: tiphat:




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Re: ACC crew suspension
« Reply #39 on: November 11, 2015, 11:11:08 AM »
On the MSU play, my understanding is that the RO cannot make a judgment based on how much force was used, as that is a judgment call and reserved for the on-field officials.  In that particular replay, the RO could only confirm that there was contact, then the receiver went OOB.  Since the on-field official deemed the receiver was forced out, the RO couldn't overturn that once it was confirmed that contact was made by the defender.
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Re: ACC crew suspension
« Reply #40 on: November 11, 2015, 12:14:25 PM »
Quote from: hefnerjm on November 11, 2015, 11:11:08 AM
On the MSU play, my understanding is that the RO cannot make a judgment based on how much force was used, as that is a judgment call and reserved for the on-field officials.  In that particular replay, the RO could only confirm that there was contact, then the receiver went OOB.  Since the on-field official deemed the receiver was forced out, the RO couldn't overturn that once it was confirmed that contact was made by the defender.

this is absolutely correct.  The only way replay could make this a foul is if the on field official said he was forced out and when  replay looked at it the was no contact what so ever.  If there is any contact on a ruled forced out of bounds then instant replay has to stay out of it and the call on the field stands.
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Re: ACC crew suspension
« Reply #41 on: November 11, 2015, 02:22:24 PM »
By philosophy and contact even slight contact is enough for the receiver to be considered "forced" out.  This was a good call, and was supported (MSU Game)
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