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Offline BrendanP

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UTSA/Arizona State hit
« on: September 16, 2016, 09:07:24 PM »
Roughly 4:31 left 1st quarter. Quarterback flushed out of the pocket and he gets Kronwalled by a linebacker. Looked like shoulder to chest, but the head snapped back. If anyone can find the video, is this a missed call, or an example of how to deliver a big hit in the age of targeting?
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Re: UTSA/Arizona State hit
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2016, 06:13:39 AM »
Here on ESPN:  http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=17566032

IMHO would have been a better form tackle if defender got his head more off to the side and put the shoulder lower into the midsection and wrapped up, but we have a ball carrier here (not a defenseless player) and the helmet contact (if any) is not intentional.
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Re: UTSA/Arizona State hit
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2016, 07:18:20 AM »
It's very close - and I'd totally understand and support the on-field crew if they called it - but it appears to me that the initiation of contact was just at or below the shoulders. The head snapping back appears to be from the rapid redirection of the torso, not a direct hit. Probably would overturn a call on replay - but not definitively saying I would, pending other angles.

Even if not called, I would coach that player that he is placing himself at the whims of bad fortune if he insists on walking that close to the cliff.
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Offline Legacy Zebra

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Re: UTSA/Arizona State hit
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2016, 10:52:13 AM »
Like NVFOA said, this player is not defenseless. So the only way this could be targeting is if the defender used the crown of the helmet to make forcible contact. This is not a foul.
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Offline Joe Stack

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Re: UTSA/Arizona State hit
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2016, 01:40:42 PM »
Video headline was backwards. It was a UTSA hit on a ASU QB.

As stated, legal play.
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Offline blindref757

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Re: UTSA/Arizona State hit
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2016, 11:31:22 PM »
I think a lot of people cross reference the NFL sissy qb rule with the college targeting rule.  If the QB has the ball, he is probably not a defenseless player in most cases...he isn't protected automatically like Tom Brady is.
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Offline BrendanP

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Re: UTSA/Arizona State hit
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2016, 04:25:43 PM »
I guess I was more surprised that this wasn't called unnecessary roughness. It's not targeting since he wasn't a defenseless player, but since the NCAA wants no hitting and rugby tackles only, it would make sense for that to be flagged for UNR.
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Offline JasonTX

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Re: UTSA/Arizona State hit
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2016, 06:46:55 PM »
Quote from: BrendanP on September 18, 2016, 04:25:43 PM
I guess I was more surprised that this wasn't called unnecessary roughness. It's not targeting since he wasn't a defenseless player, but since the NCAA wants no hitting and rugby tackles only, it would make sense for that to be flagged for UNR.

If you don't have targeting then it's nothing.  It wasn't a late hit so UNR is out of question.  Big hits are not illegal in NCAA unless they are late or targeting or protecting the QB in a passing posture from low hits.  The hit in the play is none of those.
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Re: UTSA/Arizona State hit
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2016, 10:37:37 PM »
Quote from: JasonTX on September 18, 2016, 06:46:55 PM
If you don't have targeting then it's nothing.  It wasn't a late hit so UNR is out of question.  Big hits are not illegal in NCAA unless they are late or targeting or protecting the QB in a passing posture from low hits.  The hit in the play is none of those.
  As I like to remind young officials --- ugly does not always equal a foul.
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Re: UTSA/Arizona State hit
« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2016, 06:35:47 AM »
I was in the replay booth for that game.  It was not targeting.
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Re: UTSA/Arizona State hit
« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2016, 08:46:42 PM »
Is a runner.  Not defenseless.  Not hit with crown.  Legal play.
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