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Chrisjoedad

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Catch/No Catch
« on: October 18, 2016, 10:28:55 AM »
Happened in our game Saturday:

Receiver makes a catch near sideline (clearly 2 feet in and possession) and gets pushed out of bounds and lands on ground, after contacting ground ball comes loose. The LJ had it as a catch, the FJ ruled it incomplete because he thought he saw a juggling of the ball while receiver was in process of catching it and they ruled it incomplete for that reason. TV guys went nuts claiming 2 feet in bounds etc, irrespective of that do we have a completion based on the ball coming out after receiver hits the ground out of bounds? I could not find a definitive AR on this and have gotten split opinions on this.

Offline Andrew McCarthy

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Re: Catch/No Catch
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2016, 10:45:48 AM »
Depends on whether he completed the process of the catch before being pushed and going to the ground.  Sounds like your FJ ruled he did not.

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Re: Catch/No Catch
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2016, 11:17:49 AM »
Receiver makes a catch near sideline (clearly 2 feet in and possession) and gets pushed out of bounds and lands on ground, after contacting ground ball comes loose. The LJ had it as a catch, the FJ ruled it incomplete because he thought he saw a juggling of the ball while receiver was in process of catching it and they ruled it incomplete for that reason. TV guys went nuts claiming 2 feet in bounds etc, irrespective of that do we have a completion based on the ball coming out after receiver hits the ground out of bounds? I could not find a definitive AR on this and have gotten split opinions on this.

Nearly all catch/no catch plays are of the "had to see it" variety. No one has a better view than the officials who were there on the field; the odds are really quite good that they called it correctly.

Next, go back and read those two sentences again.  ;)

Having established that, here are some of the elements that go into making that judgment:
(1) If the player goes to the ground as he attempts the catch and/or due to a defensive hit just after the ball arrives, the philosophy that has trickled down from the NFL is that he must "survive contact with the ground" - meaning that if the ground jars the ball loose in this situation, the recommended judgment is that the player did not have sufficient possession for it to be a catch.
(2) If the player is juggling the ball, he must secure possession before touching OOB. If he is falling when possession is secured, see point #1.
(3) If the player has clearly established possession inbounds (this is purely a judgment call and is where guidelines like "make a football move" come into play), then it's a catch and the ball coming out after the hit and fall OOB is irrelevant.