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Offline FabioBroncos

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BBW or Flagrant Foul?
« on: July 31, 2017, 08:12:03 PM »
Hello folks,


Today I received this video:
from another official here in Brazil asking me if this play should be called a normal BBW or a Flagrant Foul under 9-1-1.

I'd like to hear from you guys in order to enrich this dicussion. Unfortunately we don't have the wide cam to see the action on the entire field. Based on this, what would ou call?


Thank you in advance,
Fabio

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Re: BBW or Flagrant Foul?
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2017, 09:26:17 PM »
I would go with clipping, definitely below the waist. Don't believe it is enough for a flagrant
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Re: BBW or Flagrant Foul?
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2017, 07:44:36 AM »
Unfortunately we don't have the wide cam to see the action on the entire field.

I would like to see where the ball carrier is, is he down?  It appears that everyone has stopped on this play except the player making the block.  My point is, what do you have if he hits the defender at this point of the play from the side above the waist and below the head and neck area?

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Re: BBW or Flagrant Foul?
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2017, 08:03:35 AM »
Yeah, my thing about going flagrant or not here is that I can't see the rest of the play. Can't see if and where the runner is down

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Re: BBW or Flagrant Foul?
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2017, 09:43:38 AM »
If you think his intent was to injure, then a flagrant foul could be supported.  I would also like to see the "lateness" of this block as well to make a final judgment.

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Re: BBW or Flagrant Foul?
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2017, 02:06:15 PM »
I have a problem judging intent. Specially here in Brasil. Most of the times, from my interpretation, it's just a dumb decision to try and help the play, even when the play is far away from the player making the bad decision.

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Re: BBW or Flagrant Foul?
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2017, 04:26:51 PM »
It is difficult for anyone to read intent.  I don't see a deliberate attempt to injure or punish - just a ill-timed and overly aggressive attempt to throw a block for the BC, which resulted in an illegal block below the waist (not within the 10-2 region).  He'll say he was just doing what his coach told him to do - just keep blocking until you hear a whistle and/or everybody stops.  Who knows if he heard a whistle?  The rest of the action was behind him at that point - which is no excuse - he needs to be aware of where the BC is, and the status of the ball.  And he needs to better understand the BBW rules.
But, I wouldn't call this flagrant, unless someone (an official) that was there can positively say that other players heard the whistle and knew the play was over, and were easing up before this guy committed himself to this block.  If that is the case, though, then you certainly could - and should - go with flagrant.
This does reinforce the absolute need for a positive whistle on every play.  I think the 'fad' is dying, but, for some 10 tears or so, it seemed to be 'cool' to not have a whistle on plays, with the ill-conceived philosophy that whistles aren't needed, because the plays kill themselves.  All of that was a BS excuse to avoid inadvertent whistles.  Thankfully, the 40-second clock seemed to be the catalyst to stop that practice, as it seems to have waned significantly since then.  By RULE we are to sound our whistle when the ball becomes dead.  Players leading blocking for a BC in their immediate vicinity should be able to expect that they can commit themselves to an otherwise legal block, if they haven't heard a whistle.
I would hate to think that this illegal block (and an injured opponent?) could have been prevented with a proper and timely whistle.
Robert

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Re: BBW or Flagrant Foul?
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2017, 08:12:31 PM »
Thank you everybody for all the input. It did help us a lot.

And if there's anyone willing to give us your 2c about this play, please feel free to add more information.