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Offline sj_31

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Leaping
« on: July 06, 2017, 12:14:41 PM »
I read through posts here, so apologize if I missed this but want to be clear on my understanding of new leaping rule this year. 9-1-11-b, they deleted the language pertaining landing on a player, and understand it is now a foul to hurdle/leap the line, however I need clarification on the following play:

4/10 @ B-20. Linebacker B55 runs forward from the B-16 and leaps from the the B-20 (at the NZ). The leap is vertical/straight up-and-down in an attempt to block the kick. He does not land on any players.

I know they are removing the dangers of leaping the line however is the action above now illegal as well due to the language change/omission?

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Re: Leaping
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2017, 12:53:56 PM »
Check the definition of leaping. I don't have a book in front of me. Unless I am missing something, I believe the action you describe is not leaping.
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Re: Leaping
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2017, 01:03:02 PM »
No foul.  A straight up and down jump is not leaping (or hurdling). Leaping has a forward component to it.  If he doesn't go forward, then no foul.  The rule change was meant to prevent players from leaping (or hurdling) over opponents, with, or without, landing on them (or a teammate).  Unfortunately, the rule is ambiguous with regard to a player that doesn't go over an opponent at all, i/e., he manages to leap in gap in the line such that he doesn't really go over any opponent, and he doesn't land on anybody - just lands on his feet or falls to the ground - but FORWARD of where he launched (in/beyond the NZ).  Granted, such gaps are rare.  Even leaping over an outstretched arm could (should?) be considered as going OVER an opponent.  That would make it almost impossible to leap without going over some opponent.  But, if a player can manage to find a gap wide enough to leap through without going over an opponent (and not landing on anybody), we need to know what the rules-makers want.
I would hope RR will issue some clarifications. 
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Re: Leaping
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2017, 01:09:12 PM »
Common sense indicates what you describe should not be a foul. Unfortunately this is open to interpretation until RR issues clarifications as you noted. Some officials and supervisors tend to be more literal regarding the rulebook than others, which is why I posted hoping someone can point to official ARs or language supporting the change one way or the other. Thanks guys
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Re: Leaping
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2017, 07:45:40 AM »
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Rules Changes Video - Leaping
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2017, 08:21:41 AM »
Unfortunately, the rules changes video offers no further insight of clarification about leaping.  In fact, the expression used, "...and that's the end of that..." would indicate there is no intent of issuing any further clarifications.
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Re: Leaping
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2018, 10:27:52 PM »
Just adding this to the record in case anyone searches leaping .  Came out in Sept.

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Re: Leaping
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2018, 12:29:34 PM »
Suggest reviewing Steve Shaw's CFO video - "2017 Training Video - Mechanics and Intentional Grounding - August 22, 2017". There are several leaping plays that start the video.
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Re: Leaping
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2018, 11:29:41 AM »
Side Judges get proactive here....while your U is warning defenders about contact on the snapper the SJ can be talking to defenders who are lined up beyond the NZ--I added that last season in addition to talking to any defenders in position to create 3 on 1 contact at the snap. At least say something the first couple of times the ball is kicked.
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Re: Leaping
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2018, 12:25:16 PM »
Quote from: SJ3205 on February 14, 2018, 11:29:41 AM
Side Judges get proactive here....while your U is warning defenders about contact on the snapper the SJ can be talking to defenders who are lined up beyond the NZ--I added that last season in addition to talking to any defenders in position to create 3 on 1 contact at the snap. At least say something the first couple of times the ball is kicked.
I did that last year and the defender shook his head as if he understood and still did it. I had to explain it in detail after the play.

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Re: Leaping
« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2018, 05:56:09 AM »
Quote from: TXMike on February 12, 2018, 10:27:52 PM
Just adding this to the record in case anyone searches leaping .  Came out in Sept.
Isn't that first play the same as OP's play?
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Re: Leaping
« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2018, 11:37:35 AM »
Now that the season is starting, has anyone received any further communication on this topic?  How do you plan to officiate this play this weekend?

My thoughts....

A try from the B3.  B player is lined up on the GL.  At the snap, he runs to the LOS and jumps straight up in the air......No Foul.

A try from the B3.  B player is lined up on the GL.  At the snap, he runs to the LOS and jumps through the gap between the guard and center.....Foul.

Let me know what you guys think!

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Re: Leaping
« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2018, 12:43:11 PM »
Quote from: FBOfficialSJ on August 29, 2018, 11:37:35 AM
Now that the season is starting, has anyone received any further communication on this topic?  How do you plan to officiate this play this weekend?

My thoughts....

A try from the B3.  B player is lined up on the GL.  At the snap, he runs to the LOS and jumps straight up in the air......No Foul.

A try from the B3.  B player is lined up on the GL.  At the snap, he runs to the LOS and jumps through the gap between the guard and center.....Foul.

Let me know what you guys think!

If he is able to jump/leap through a gap, making no (or only the slightest contact to the arms of opponents), then he has NOT fouled.
This also applies to players in the tackle box attempting to get over/through the punt protectors.

If a player leaps into the plane directly above the frame of an opponent, there is very little possibility that he will not land on the opponent - even if just brushing his shoulder on the way down.  Yes, he might be able to totally clear the opponent, but he will have clearly leaped into the frame of the opponent in doing so.  That's a foul.

An opponent's extended arms are not within the frame of the body.  So, if a defensive player leaps and contacts only ARMS (not shoulders), then he would not be guilty of leaping.  But, with splits as they are, it will be very difficult for a defensive player to leap and not get into the frame of the opponent's body. 

But, simply jumping straight up is no longer a foul, by rule.  A leap by a player that was stationary within one yard of the NZ is not a foul.  Although not specifically stated, the intent there is regarding leaping over the offensive linemen at their LOS.  If such defensive player breaks through the offensive line and attempts to leap a punt protector, he is governed by 11-c.

This was probably the best rule change made in many, many years.

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Re: Leaping
« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2018, 11:08:15 AM »
IMO the tightening of the rule indicates “over a player” is over any part of a player. In PaT formations I don’t see how you could leap through the gap and not go “over” an opponent.


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Re: Leaping
« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2018, 12:31:51 PM »
Quote from: TxSkyBolt on September 02, 2018, 11:08:15 AM
IMO the tightening of the rule indicates “over a player” is over any part of a player. In PaT formations I don’t see how you could leap through the gap and not go “over” an opponent.


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If they drop down into a 3 pt stance and the slide their legs behind one another and the B player jumps over their legs I would consider that the "gap".  Since the leaping rule requires you to "leap into the plane directly above the frame of the body of an opponent."
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Re: Leaping
« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2018, 09:25:56 AM »
apparently the rule has changed since 2016. Vanderbilt vs Auburn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPSt0VeU9pI
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Re: Leaping
« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2018, 09:42:41 AM »
Yes, changed again last year
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