Roughing the passer - landing with weight on the QB

[Rmars86]

This got called in the Arkansas/ Texas A&M game in the second quarter. The referee actually announced that the defender “used his body to harm the quarterback”  (or something similar)

Thoughts?

[ElvisLives]

... (or something similar)

I would hope no one would offer a comment on incomplete, vague, or hearsay information like this.  Give us the whole story, if you can.

[Rmars86]

I apologize.  I went back and rewatched - here are the exact words.

“Personal Foul, roughing the passer, defense number 52 - Using his body to punish the quarterback.”

[bctgp]

Do you have a link to the play?

[ElvisLives]

I apologize.  I went back and rewatched - here are the exact words.

“Personal Foul, roughing the passer, defense number 52 - Using his body to punish the quarterback.”

Haven’t seen the play, but don’t really need to.  This is a case where the defender elected to take the opponent to the ground and land on him with the full weight of own body, with the intent of punishing the opponent.  That a foul.  Pretty simple.

[Rmars86]

Finally found a clip online somewhere.

https://twitter.com/coachrtm/status/1178337632079814656?s=21

[Rmars86]

Haven’t seen the play, but don’t really need to.  This is a case where the defender elected to take the opponent to the ground and land on him with the full weight of own body, with the intent of punishing the opponent.  That a foul.  Pretty simple.

I read through 9.9 and didn’t see anything about the “body weight”.  I know it was a big point of emphasis in the NFL a year or two ago, I just don’t remember seeing it in college football before.

[CalhounLJ]

Finally found a clip online somewhere.

https://twitter.com/coachrtm/status/1178337632079814656?s=21

That’s a bs call.


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[ElvisLives]

I read through 9.9 and didn’t see anything about the “body weight”.  I know it was a big point of emphasis in the NFL a year or two ago, I just don’t remember seeing it in college football before.

You are right.  It doesn't say "body weight."  9-1-9-a-4 says, "Forcibly driving the passer to the ground and landing on him with action that punishes the player."  What more do you need?

Looks like a correct call to me.  I'd make it a 6.

[centexsports]

A PERFECT example of a rule written with no effective way to enforce.   If the defender goes in lower (roughing for low hit on the QB).   If he goes in higher he risks helmet to helmet contact (roughing the passer - targeting).   This was a picture perfect tackle with no intent to injure, no rule violation and no where to fall except down.   He was basically flagged for not falling up and even Aggies can't do that.

Referees make this call because they are SCARED not to.   They know that they will not get into trouble for making this call but they might be for not making it.   Rules should not be written that cannot be supported by good game principles and technique.   If this is a penalty in someone's opinion, I would like them to explain how the tackler should have made this play. 

Let's give the QB flags or a different color shirt like they use in scrimmages.   Two hand touch and he is down.

[mccormicw]

IMO, there was very little if any punishing going on. I understand the intent of the rule but this does not look like that to me.

[JDM]

I don't like the call.

[TxBJ]

Look at the way he lifts the QB, leaves his feet and drives him into the ground. That is why it is a correct call.

[JasonTX]

Look at the way he lifts the QB, leaves his feet and drives him into the ground. That is why it is a correct call.

In slow motion you can see that but at live speed it's not as obvious.

[ElvisLives]

In slow motion you can see that but at live speed it's not as obvious.

That's why the FBS guys get the big(ger) bucks.

[CalhounLJ]

Look at the way he lifts the QB, leaves his feet and drives him into the ground. That is why it is a correct call.

To be honest, I still don't see it that way. I see a DL committed to his charge, leave his feet and hit the QB in such a way that the QB leaves the ground and lands on his back. It's true the DL does land on him, but not with his full weight directly on top of the QB, driving him into the ground. It's more to the left side in an indirect way. In our replay-saturated world, I wish this could have been reviewed.

[ElvisLives]

On pretty good authority, this was graded as a correct call.