Fumble or Illegal Fwd Pass ? (video)

[BankerRef]

Not making excuses for the LJ but it looks like his vision to the ball carrier at the critical point may have been at least partially blocked by the two trailing SLC players.  When the viewing angle is clear perhaps he calls what he sees; 1st ball carrier is now down but the ball is loose.

[mccormicw]

I believe a rule change is in order that changes the fumble rule on tries to include team B fumbles.

[chymechowder]

So ... you're advising we use different standards for fouls/illegal acts based on the points that may/may not be scored on a particular play?

haha no.    just saying that sometimes we have to divine a player's intent.  and when you have to do that, things like motive come into play.  (granted, watching the video on a computer allows more time to consider the player's motives.)

[Diablo]

No other defender is in any kind of position to have been able to knock the ball out of his possession. As you can clearly see, the tackler is well underneath the ball-carrier, so it's rather evident that he couldn't do it. I'm sorry, but this thing is not anywhere remotely close to being a fumble! I still say IFP!   

Fumbles (loss of possession) can occur by other means than the ball being knock out by an opponent - for example,  unsuccessful attempt to transfer the ball to another position.

As noted earlier in this thread, no question the loose ball goes forward.  The issue is whether the ball carrier threw it.  If he did, it's a foul.  Just as with any foul, the calling official must see the foul occur before flagging it.  "Seeing" this particular foul means actually observing B45 throw the ball.  Do we unequivocally see him propel the ball from the palm on his hand/s?  Even in slo-mo, I don't believe this video shows that.   

[Rulesman]

So ... you're advising we use different standards for fouls/illegal acts based on the points that may/may not be scored on a particular play?

I think he is saying "use common sense."

And gee whiz... THAT is my twelve-hundreth post!

[Grant - AR]

And gee whiz... THAT is my twelve-hundreth post!