Fouls by both teams during a scoring play

[cbrunnjo]

If a32 runs for a TD and during the run there is a 5 yard face mask foul on the defense and then we have an USC foul on the offense how andvwhere are they enforced?

Can the defense have their penalty enforced on the kickoff after the offense had their penalty enforced on the PAT?

Do you enforce the live ball foul first then the dead ball?
Do you enforce both fouls on the PAT?

[Atlanta Blue]

The face mask foul comes first.  A gets their choice of try or kickoff enforcement.  Now you ask B when they want enforcement of the USC, try or kickoff.

Each could choose try (try from the 16.5, kickoff from the 40)
A could chose try and B could chose kickoff (3 and 25)
A could chose kickoff, B could chose try (18 and 45)
Both could chose kickoff (3 and 30)

[FBUmp]

If a32 runs for a TD and during the run there is a 5 yard face mask foul on the defense and then we have an USC foul on the offense how andvwhere are they enforced?

Can the defense have their penalty enforced on the kickoff after the offense had their penalty enforced on the PAT?

Do you enforce the live ball foul first then the dead ball?
Do you enforce both fouls on the PAT?

Couple of other points.

You give the first option to Team A because the live ball foul occurred first.

Then you give Team B their option.

Both teams have the option of enforcing on the PAT or the subsequent kickoff.

[Curious]

The face mask foul comes first.  A gets their choice of try or kickoff enforcement.  Now you ask B when they want enforcement of the USC, try or kickoff.

Each could choose try (try from the 16.5, kickoff from the 40)
A could chose try and B could chose kickoff (3 and 25)
A could chose kickoff, B could chose try (18 and 45)
Both could chose kickoff (3 and 30)

Perfect reply for the OP

Three additional caveats for the he!! of it: 

1. For the USC foul - or any foul for which the basic spot is the succeeding spot - (by either team) to be enforced on EITHER the try or subsequent kick-off, the foul must occur prior to the RFP for the try (8-2-5).

2. There must be a kick-off (overtime for instance)

3. If after the RFP following the TD, but prior to the snap, enforce only on the try.

There are more scenarios related to 8-3 (Trys) and 8-4 (Field Goals); but I'm getting a headache!

[AFSST]

One way I keep rule 8 straight (when we have a score and a foul):

If it is a scoring TD, I think subsequent kickoff.

If it is a scoring Try or FG, I think succeeding spot.

So if there is a TD and an unsportsmanlike foul occurs before the RFP for the try, then the foul "belongs" to the TD and will be enforced on the Try or the succeeding KO.

[FBUmp]

One way I keep rule 8 straight (when we have a score and a foul):

If it is a scoring TD, I think subsequent kickoff.

If it is a scoring Try or FG, I think succeeding spot.

So if there is a TD and an unsportsmanlike foul occurs before the RFP for the try, then the foul "belongs" to the TD and will be enforced on the Try or the succeeding KO.

Let's keep in mind that if it is a scoring Try or FG, the down can ALSO be replayed.

[bbeagle]

A quick question about this:

Team A losing 16-20. 4th quarter 0:02. Last play of the game.

A1 throws a deep pass to A2 who is all alone and high-steps in for the score, while yelling something like, 'All you F***ing Team B players can **** my ****!' while giving the middle finger to the crowd.

Score counts - Team A wins 22, 20. No enforcement spot for the unsportsmanlike conduct?

Then Team B late-hits Team A player. No enforcement spot for the late hit as well?

[HLinNC]

In NC: score for Team A counts, no penalty assessment available.  A2 is ejected, report is filed with the state.  He sits the following week.  Team B PF, unless deemed flagrant to be worthy of ejection like A2, nothing to assess, game over.

Other states may be different, your mileage may vary, tax, tag, and dealer prep extra.

[Curious]

Rule 1-1-8, expanded last year, still gives game officials authority over "administrative responsibilities" until the Referee declaration of the end of the game.  Clearly a report to the state association would be included in these responsibilities.

I can only assume that every state has some stipulated punishment for such action; so, if the report is filed, the offender doesn't get off scot-free.  If they (the state) doesn't have such a rule, shame on them - and they deserve such unacceptable behavior.

[bama_stripes]

In NC: score for Team A counts, no penalty assessment available.  A2 is ejected, report is filed with the state.  He sits the following week.  Team B PF, unless deemed flagrant to be worthy of ejection like A2, nothing to assess, game over.

Other states may be different, your mileage may vary, tax, tag, and dealer prep extra.

Same in Alabama, with the exception of a $300 "donation" by the school instead of a week's vacation.

[Rulesman]

Same in Alabama, with the exception of a $300 "donation" by the school instead of a week's vacation.

"Pay-to-play" in Alabama? 

[sir55]

It would depend on whether the points on the try counted for playoff consideration.  If so, then the penalties would be assessed on the try, in the order that they occurred. In this case, the try would be from the 9.  A2 is ejected (flagrant unsportsmanlike conduct foul) and he would sit the next game until the :02 in the 4th quarter rolls around on the clock.  If not, the foul(s) cannot be enforced but A2 still sits the next game. No money is assessed unless a coach is ejected.

[Rulesman]

Tongue-in-cheek, sir55.

[ECILLJ]

A1 throws a deep pass to A2 who is all alone and high-steps in for the score, while yelling something like, 'All you F***ing Team B players can **** my ****!' while giving the middle finger to the crowd.

 

- Some of you guys work some tough places. I have never seen anything like this in the cornfields of Illinois.

[Atlanta Blue]

It would depend on whether the points on the try counted for playoff consideration.  If so, then the penalties would be assessed on the try, in the order that they occurred. In this case, the try would be from the 9.  A2 is ejected (flagrant unsportsmanlike conduct foul) and he would sit the next game until the :02 in the 4th quarter rolls around on the clock.  If not, the foul(s) cannot be enforced but A2 still sits the next game. No money is assessed unless a coach is ejected.

So your suspensions for ejection go til the same time in the next game?  Never heard of that one before.

If you are ejected here, you miss ALL of the next game, whether you were ejected in the first quarter or the fourth.

[bbeagle]

It would depend on whether the points on the try counted for playoff consideration.

lol

[sir55]

AB, that's what they do in Mississippi.