Illegal touching on 4th down

[cbrunnjo]

A has 4-2 from the B30. The QB drops back and is being rushed hard so he throws the ball and A66 catches the ball at the B25.

Does B replay the down?
Who's ball is it and where at?
If B gets ball where is it at, the previous spot or where A66 caught the ball?

[NoVaBJ]

Touching always proceeds catching, so the touching happens before the catch, during a loose ball play.

The basic spot for a loose ball play is the previous spot (B30).  Because the foul happened in advance of the basic spot, the basic spot is also the enforcement spot.

Five yards and loss of down from the B30 results in B's ball, 1-10 at the B35.

[maven]

Touching always proceeds catching, so the touching happens before the catch, during a loose ball play.

The basic spot for a loose ball play is the previous spot (B30).  Because the foul happened in advance of the basic spot, the basic spot is also the enforcement spot.

Five yards and loss of down from the B30 results in B's ball, 1-10 at the B35.

Just so. Clock on the snap.

I sometimes wonder why the LOD plays confuse people. LOD means that A loses the right to replay the down after enforcement of the yardage penalty. The penalty in this case leaves A behind the line to gain and without another down to reach it. Thus B takes over on downs.

[cbrunnjo]

Good explanation guys.

What happen if the illegal touching occurred on a PAT?

[HLinNC]

There would be no replay of the try.

[VALJ]

There would be no replay of the try.

+1

[AFSST]

+1

Agreed...Rule 8-3-4

[fudilligas]

Touching always proceeds catching, so the touching happens before the catch, during a loose ball play.

The basic spot for a loose ball play is the previous spot (B30).  Because the foul happened in advance of the basic spot, the basic spot is also the enforcement spot.

Five yards and loss of down from the B30 results in B's ball, 1-10 at the B35.

Casebook Play 7.5.13 reads that if an ineligible catches or muffs a pass beyond the LOS then it is also OPI.  I know this has been a topic of confusion and corrections have been sent out.  But what is the correct ruling. 

[maven]

Casebook Play 7.5.13 reads that if an ineligible catches or muffs a pass beyond the LOS then it is also OPI.  I know this has been a topic of confusion and corrections have been sent out.  But what is the correct ruling. 

The correct ruling is illegal touching. See the NFHS 2012 Interpretations.
http://www.nfhs.org/content.aspx?id=7193

[KirbyB]

That OPI thing is a dinosaur in the casebook.

[Atlanta Blue]

That OPI thing is a dinosaur in the casebook.

Even more evidence that the "airborne receiver being carried OOB" issue will not be solved next season!

[Curious]

The correct ruling is illegal touching. See the NFHS 2012 Interpretations.
http://www.nfhs.org/content.aspx?id=7193

While I agree that the FED "clarified" their intention regarding the IT v OPI issue when the ineligible A player muffs/catches a pass beyond the LOS, I think they have also made it (relatively) clear that OPI is still an option IF the official deems some action by the ineligible during the pass to be consistent with pass interference.  So, if ineligible (by position) A40 goes down field and pushes off B1 to make the catch, OPI should be called.

[maven]

While I agree that the FED "clarified" their intention regarding the IT v OPI issue when the ineligible A player muffs/catches a pass beyond the LOS, I think they have also made it (relatively) clear that OPI is still an option IF the official deems some action by the ineligible during the pass to be consistent with pass interference.  So, if ineligible (by position) A40 goes down field and pushes off B1 to make the catch, OPI should be called.

That's correct. The mistake in the case book was the ruling that illegal touching AS SUCH constituted OPI.

If you've got OPI, it's still OPI. If not, it's just illegal touching.