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Offline NVFOA_Ump

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Obviously out of the play / defenseless player
« on: September 12, 2012, 08:52:59 PM »
3rd and short at the 50 yard line.  Team A is running a single wing offense with all 11 players in the box.  Team B is in a very tight defense with all 11 players within 3 yards of the LOS.

Back A-21 takes a direct snap and breaks off tackle and is immediately in the open heading for a TD when A-81 who was the opposite side TE starts looking for someone to hit.  He picks B-56 who is just getting back up at the 48 yard line after diving in an attempt to tackle A-21 who by now is crossing the 20 yard line on his way for a TD.

A-81 contacts B-56 from the blind side with a violent shoulder hit and puts him on the deck and tops that off with some verbal BS directed at B-56 who is now on the ground.  Flag is thrown at the 48 yard line as A-21 is now around the 10 yard line before finishing his run in the EZ.

What's the enforcement here?
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Re: Obviously out of the play / defenseless player
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2012, 10:07:10 PM »
Live ball PF, 3 and 1, spot of the foul enforcement.
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Offline Kalle

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Re: Obviously out of the play / defenseless player
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2012, 01:11:38 AM »
Quote from: TxSkyBolt on September 12, 2012, 10:07:10 PM
Live ball PF, 3 and 1, spot of the foul enforcement.

Sounds like there is a UNS foul too, which should be noted, even if the penalty for that is declined (only one can be enforced as both are live ball fouls now).
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Re: Obviously out of the play / defenseless player
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2012, 09:07:11 AM »
Quote from: Kalle on September 13, 2012, 01:11:38 AM
Sounds like there is a UNS foul too, which should be noted, even if the penalty for that is declined (only one can be enforced as both are live ball fouls now).

Thats what I was thinking. Double whammy for the PF and UNS
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Offline TxSkyBolt

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Re: Obviously out of the play / defenseless player
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2012, 09:30:29 AM »
UNS is a non-contact foul so this is PF.  I do agree that the rules should include a provision for counting this type of PF to count towards the two that get a player tossed.

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« Last Edit: September 13, 2012, 09:36:09 AM by TxSkyBolt »
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Offline Andrew McCarthy

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Re: Obviously out of the play / defenseless player
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2012, 09:33:16 AM »
This result is a consequence of last year's rule change.  We now have unsportsmanlike fouls that may not be penalized due to their live-ball nature.

The number of the player still needs to be noted in case he commits another.  If this is his second, he's ejected.
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Re: Obviously out of the play / defenseless player
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2012, 09:40:31 AM »
Quote from: TxSkyBolt on September 13, 2012, 09:30:29 AM
UNS is a non-contact foul so this is PF. 
Isn't the UNS for the "verbal BS" after the play?
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