where to kick from.

[wv ref]

Following a score B had 4 dead ball personal fouls.  They want them all enforced on the kickoff.  Where do you kick from.  Please give rules reference as how to hand R's restraining line

[Cowman52]

Would think 15 for the first, 12 1/2, 2 nd, 6 1/4 for 3rd, 3GS line , about,  13 for restraining line. 

[TXMike]

10-2-5-f

Push themback until you get to their 5.  Anything after that gets enforced on the succeeding spot after the KO

[wv ref]

Should clarify, the team with the penalties are the ones receiving.  First penalty to the 45, second the 30, third 15, etc.

[wv ref]

what is 10-2-5-f couldn't find

[chymechowder]

so team A scores. Team B has 4 PFs afterward. And Team A wants them all on their kickoff?

Highschool, right. so start at Team A40, then go to Team B45, Team B30, Team B15.  My guess is you have to have them kick from there.  Because you can't have a Team B restraining line if you go any further.

So A kicks from the B15.  Team B restraining line is B5.  And after the onside kick attempt, enforce the 4th penalty?

[wv ref]

Where does it say R's restraining line cannot be in the endzone?  Where do you get the enforcement ability to apply the 4th PF on the next play. 

[Roscoe]

50 --(15 yards)> 35 --(15 yards)> 20 --(Half the Distance)> 10 --(Half the Distance)> 5

K's restraining line is the 15, R's restraining line is the 5. I hope the coach was smart enough to kick an onside kick.

[Kalle]

what is 10-2-5-f couldn't find

That is the NCAA rule, sounds like you're looking for the NFHS rule.

"Distance penalties for fouls by either team may not extend a team’s free kick restraining line behind its five-yard line. Penalties that would otherwise place the free kick restraining line behind a team’s five-yard line are enforced from the next succeeding spot."

[wv ref]

Ah, thsi si  NFHS situation.  So now what do you do?

[IAUMP]

The kick would be from the R 7.5 yard line, (1st to the B45, 2nd to B30, 3rd to B 15, 4th half distance) with R's restraining line 2.5 yards into their endzone.  Use the chains to help keep track of the 10 yards.

[wv ref]

is this from a casebook?  is there anywhere it says r's restraining line cannot be in the endzone?

[bama_stripes]

The kick would be from the R 7.5 yard line, (1st to the B45, 2nd to B30, 3rd to B 15, 4th half distance) with R's restraining line 2.5 yards into their endzone.  Use the chains to help keep track of the 10 yards.

While this is correct, it's a purely academic exercise.  The only way K can legally touch (or recover) the ball is for an R player to touch it before it crosses the GL.  So R will align their players at the back of the EZ and instruct them to stay put.  K will likely "bunt" the ball to prevent it from going into the EZ, and R will take over where it stops rolling or is first touched.

The fly in the ointment comes if K is trailing late in the game.  They might then choose to decline R's fourth foul and kick from the R-15 so as to have a chance to recover the kick.

[TampaSteve]

DB fouls enforced separately in the order thhey occurred.
If my math is correct, 4 fouls by R would mean a kick from R's 7.5 yd line.
HOWEVER, seeing that the restraining line is 10 yds, do we make the last 2 UNS "half the distance"?
foul1: move to R45
foul2: move to R30
foul3: move to R20?
foul4: move to R10?

[maven]

Ah, thsi si  NFHS situation.  So now what do you do?

Two suggestions for future use (pick one or both): put an NFHS thread in the NFHS section of the forum, or specify NFHS rules in the OP.

Nothing in NFHS prevents continued enforcement of DB fouls on the KO all the way to the GL. The rule requiring a 10 yard NZ has no exceptions. You can do the math...

[VALJ]

The kick would be from the R 7.5 yard line, (1st to the B45, 2nd to B30, 3rd to B 15, 4th half distance) with R's restraining line 2.5 yards into their endzone.  Use the chains to help keep track of the 10 yards.

+1

[StripedOutlaw]

DB fouls enforced separately in the order thhey occurred.
If my math is correct, 4 fouls by R would mean a kick from R's 7.5 yd line.
HOWEVER, seeing that the restraining line is 10 yds, do we make the last 2 UNS "half the distance"?
foul1: move to R45
foul2: move to R30
foul3: move to R20?
foul4: move to R10?

half of 30 is 15 Steve... Spent too much time in the sun down there...

[Roscoe]

Please forgive me because I haven't been doing this for very long, but why are some of you enforcing personal fouls at 5 yards only?

[maven]

Please forgive me because I haven't been doing this for very long, but why are some of you enforcing personal fouls at 5 yards only?

Half the distance from the 10YL?

[TampaSteve]

You fellas sure we can have the kick from inside the 10?? -I mean NZ cant be expanded to EZ on passes, so if kicking from the 7.5 how can it extend to EZ on a kick?
It would seem the restraining line on free kick must be at least 10yds no matter what.

*If the ball does not go 10yds, it will be spotted where it stopped rolling.
* if it goes 10yds (to EZ), we now have automatic touchback. - my word, now you spot that on the 20.
Therefore, a free kick from Rs 10 would never be live (unless of course R is dumb enough to touch it)

If this ever would happen, it would seem K would kiss the ball 5yds & jump on it ASAP.

[inthepit]

Kick from R's 7.5 yard-line.  R's restraining line is the goal line as the neutral zone can never be expanded into the end zone.  Also, under NFHS rules, K cannot recover an "on side" kick as once the ball breaks the plane of R's goal line it is a touchback.

[VALJ]

You fellas sure we can have the kick from inside the 10?? -I mean NZ cant be expanded to EZ on passes, so if kicking from the 7.5 how can it extend to EZ on a kick?

Steve, on a pass or scrimmage kick, the extended neutral zone can go into the EZ.  On a free kick, we're not extending the NZ, we just have a 10-yard neutral zone that happens to go into the EZ.

[ThomasG]

Of course, the smarter coach will decline the distance penatly for the 4th PF (which is his right) and then be able to kick the on-side kick with some possibility of recovering before it goes into R's endzone.