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MNF - Inadvertent Whistle
« on: November 23, 2015, 09:24:43 PM »
around 13 mins in 3rd qtr.  IW by LJ in the Pats Bills game.
Cant remember the last time I heard an IW at the NFL level.

Ruling on the field was that the whistle was blown after the receiver caught the ball...clearly trying to minimize the impact on the offense, but reply was pretty clear that the IW was blown with the ball in the air.
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Re: MNF - Inadvertent Whistle
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2015, 09:27:42 PM »
So much for their Super Bowl assignment...
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Re: MNF - Inadvertent Whistle
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2015, 09:31:32 PM »
They also dinged Rex Ryan 15 yards for sideline interference on same play.
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Re: MNF - Inadvertent Whistle
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2015, 09:39:23 PM »
Quote from: hefnerjm on November 23, 2015, 09:31:32 PM
They also dinged Rex Ryan 15 yards for sideline interference on same play.

But nevertheless cost us 7 points.
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Re: MNF - Inadvertent Whistle
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2015, 09:44:14 PM »
Quote from: BrendanP on November 23, 2015, 09:39:23 PM
But nevertheless cost us 7 points.

Can't say for sure, the defense stopped when the whistle was blown. That's why the inadvertent whistle provisions are what they are.
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Re: MNF - Inadvertent Whistle
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2015, 10:13:38 PM »
Quote from: BrendanP on November 23, 2015, 09:39:23 PM
But nevertheless cost us 7 points.

Us? 

You can clearly see the defender who is right next to the receiver stop at the whistle.
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Re: MNF - Inadvertent Whistle
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2015, 11:28:34 PM »
Blandino was just on NFL Network and he explained the official lost track of the ball and thought the play was over. I'm guessing the fact he had Rex Ryan screaming in his face may have distracted him a little. At least he got Rex with a flag as well. Based on Rex's post game press conference, it sounds like he thought the whistle blew before the pass was thrown because he said the guy pursuing Brady let up. The whistle was blown when the ball was in the air so it should have been a replay of the down. Is there an NFL rule that does allow them to consider the pass complete? Is that reviewable?

Great play for learning this week for sure!
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Re: MNF - Inadvertent Whistle
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2015, 08:17:27 AM »
Being an ole' duffer, I had gone to bed at halftime and didn't see the live version of the IW. From what I could gather this morning : (1) Pats may not have gotten the ball as a completed pass, as the 15 yd ^flag on Ryan took the ball in the area of where the pass was caught. (2) Love the Pats, but disagree that it took a TD away as Bills' D-back appeared to let up with the IW. (3) I'm unsure of the IW/NFL rule, but I believe that the replay reversal of an incomplete pass turning into a fumble is treated as an IW with the down counting and ball at spot of fumble.
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Re: MNF - Inadvertent Whistle
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2015, 11:15:57 AM »
Quote from: Magician on November 23, 2015, 11:28:34 PM
The whistle was blown when the ball was in the air so it should have been a replay of the down. Is there an NFL rule that does allow them to consider the pass complete? Is that reviewable?

No 7-2 (m) when an official sounds his whistle erroneously while the ball is still in play, the ball becomes dead immediately
(1) If the ball is in player possession, the team in possession may elect to put the ball in play where it has been declared dead or to replay the down.
(2) If the ball is a loose ball resulting from a fumble, backward pass, or illegal forward pass, the team last in possession may elect to put the ball in play at the spot where possession was lost or to replay the down.
(3) If the ball is a loose ball resulting from a legal forward pass, a free kick, a fair-catch kick, or a scrimmage kick, the ball is returned to the previous spot, and the down is replayed.
(4) If there is a foul by either team during any of the above, penalty enforcement is the same as for fouls during a run, forward pass, kick, fumble, and backward pass. If the team in possession elects to replay the down, the penalty shall be enforced from the previous spot.

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The play isn't reviewable.... "Rule 15 Article 5 Non reviewable plays ....(g) Erroneous Whistle"
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Re: MNF - Inadvertent Whistle
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2015, 11:24:24 AM »
One more question related to MNF.

On the very last play the Bills player caught a catch untouched and went to the ground in bounds, he subsequently rolled out of bounds with 2 seconds on the clock.  The HL wound the clock and time expired.

Now that would be correct in NCAA, however surely in the NFL that's a live ball which became dead when the player went OOB?  Shouldn't there have been one more play and shouldn't that have been reviewed upstairs?
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Re: MNF - Inadvertent Whistle
« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2015, 11:58:05 AM »
I believe the report from the post game pool said that the ruling on the field was that the runner gave himself up. Since he did so inbounds, the clock wound. Now whether or not that's a proper judgement...
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Re: MNF - Inadvertent Whistle
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2015, 12:20:46 PM »
Quote from: hefnerjm on November 23, 2015, 09:31:32 PM
They also dinged Rex Ryan 15 yards for sideline interference on same play.

Here's a link to a video of the play/announcement ... (fixed link)

Rex was clearly out in front of the head linesman, and I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that his interference "caused" the IW.

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MNF - Inadvertent Whistle
« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2015, 12:43:42 PM »
Link no good


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Re: MNF - Inadvertent Whistle
« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2015, 01:20:03 PM »
Quote from: TxSkyBolt on November 24, 2015, 12:43:42 PM
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Fixed.
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Re: MNF - Inadvertent Whistle
« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2015, 03:07:05 PM »
Does anybody have a clip of the last play of the game?
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Re: MNF - Inadvertent Whistle
« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2015, 02:23:55 AM »
Here's a view of the last play plus discussion on the IW.  As regards the issue on the touchdown.  I'd not seen the aerial view, what do you guys think?

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/11/24/monday-night-football-officials/Gkecqt95j5tpE30ntKHaJM/story.html

Didn't realise the official for the IW was Gary Arthur, not been a great year for him!
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Re: MNF - Inadvertent Whistle
« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2015, 10:06:49 AM »
Dean Blandino has now addressed the IW and last play in official review: http://operations.nfl.com/the-officials/inside-nfl-gameday-central/official-review-with-dean-blandino/

Some careful wording and a tough night for him!
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Re: MNF - Inadvertent Whistle
« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2015, 03:34:46 PM »
No support from Football Zebras http://www.footballzebras.com/2015/11/24/13695/
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Re: MNF - Inadvertent Whistle
« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2015, 01:02:40 PM »
Quote from: goodgrr on November 28, 2015, 03:34:46 PM
No support from Football Zebras http://www.footballzebras.com/2015/11/24/13695/
Dis you expect support from Football Zebras?
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Re: MNF - Inadvertent Whistle
« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2015, 02:07:16 PM »
I don't know to be honest, don't follow there religiously
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Re: MNF - Inadvertent Whistle
« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2015, 04:38:39 PM »
In addition to the 2 situations mentioned, the HL also made error on moving chains when LTG not obtained on the final Bills drive (I cannot find video but saw it live; if I saw correctly). I believe was first play of final series; Bills gained ~9 yards on 1st down; HL, clearly on short side of LTG stake, starts waiving chains down (not sure if he got signal from LJ or did on own); the spot was challenged and overturned but irrelevent to the error because spot held by HL was short.
Not a stellar night for the guys.
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