CFO Video Kicking Play #5

[Johnponz]

Has anyone watched the '16 training video on the CFO website.  I believe Rogers makes a mistake with number 5 in the kicking play section.  It appears that A grabs the ball in the air around B's 35 and goes out of bounds.  Rogers says this is not a kick out of bounds.  I do not see how it can't be as B never touched the ball in bounds before it went out of bounds.

Rogers says that this is B's ball, but no no foul was committed (in fairness, I did not catch this another official brought it to my attention).  Am I missing something, or is Rogers incorrect?

[bossman72]

Has anyone watched the '16 training video on the CFO website.  I believe Rogers makes a mistake with number 5 in the kicking play section.  It appears that A grabs the ball in the air around B's 35 and goes out of bounds.  Rogers says this is not a kick out of bounds.  I do not see how it can't be as B never touched the ball in bounds before it went out of bounds.

Rogers says that this is B's ball, but no no foul was committed (in fairness, I did not catch this another official brought it to my attention).  Am I missing something, or is Rogers incorrect?

That doesn't make sense.  Should be KOB.  I haven't seen the play though.

[Bwest]

Has anyone watched the '16 training video on the CFO website.  I believe Rogers makes a mistake with number 5 in the kicking play section.  It appears that A grabs the ball in the air around B's 35 and goes out of bounds.  Rogers says this is not a kick out of bounds.  I do not see how it can't be as B never touched the ball in bounds before it went out of bounds.

Rogers says that this is B's ball, but no no foul was committed (in fairness, I did not catch this another official brought it to my attention).  Am I missing something, or is Rogers incorrect?

I also haven't yet seen the play, but it sounds like he is trying to make the argument that there is no foul for KOB since A recovered the ball in the field of ball (which would immediately make the ball dead).

Of course, if A is airborne then by definition he couldn't recover the ball unless he lands in bounds.

[Johnponz]

I thought that was his argument as well, but he said that it was B's ball.  If A recovered the ball, it would be A's ball.  The whole play really confuses me.

[FLbackjudge]

I just watched the play, and here's my $.02.  The A player leaps from the field of play and touches the kick while he is still airborne (the touch is legal, since the ball has gone 10 yards, and it has been touched in bounds since the A player has not "established himself" OOB by touching the ground or anything else OOB).  So it is not a KOB.  Possession is not established until the player controlling the ball comes to the ground, and he comes to the ground OOB.  Therefore, A does not get to keep the ball since they did not recover it in bounds.  No foul and it's B's ball.  Chalk another on up for RR.

[Bwest]

I just watched the play, and here's my $.02.  The A player leaps from the field of play and touches the kick while he is still airborne (the touch is legal, since the ball has gone 10 yards, and it has been touched in bounds since the A player has not "established himself" OOB by touching the ground or anything else OOB).  So it is not a KOB. 

Why? They don't get off a KOB by touching the ball. A can bat the ball all over the field if they want to but if it goes out of bounds it's still a KOB.

Only B touching the ball removes the KOB aspect.

[Kalle]

Sounds like RR has confused team A and team B in this play situation.

[Johnponz]

That is exactly what I thought.  When I looked for an AR or some other memo to cover this, I could only find examples where B touched the ball in-bounds and then went OOB.  I hope Rogers modifies what he said on the training film.

[NVFOA_Ump]

Have to agree with the last couple of posts here.  Since by rule A has only touched the ball before it ended up out of bounds, I believe that it must be a KOB.  The fact that the A player player had apparent "control" of the ball with both hands makes no difference since he could not establish possession prior to being ruled OB.  It's still a free kick OB untouched by team B.

[TXMike]

I checked with him.  He saw Team B touch the kick before it was grabbed by Team A. Maybe he had a better quality video than what we ended up getting. 

[Kalle]

I checked with him.  He saw Team B touch the kick before it was grabbed by Team A. Maybe he had a better quality video than what we ended up getting.

It would be nice to have the facts stated in the training video plays, so there would be less confusion.