Play Situations

[ncwingman]

In NCAA, the try must be attempted as team B can score and thus is still able to either tie or win the game. The actions by the crowd are not obviously unfair so there is only the foul against the team celebration on the field. Enforce 15 yards, PAT from B-17.

If they're smart, A will just take a knee on the try, but yes they have to attempt it under NCAA rules in case there's some Miracle at the Meadowlands type activity that occurs.

Can you actually UNS the crowd, however? They are, fundamentally, not subject to the rules. If they start chanting dirty words or a streaker comes and steals the game ball, you can delay the game to have the offenders removed, but you wouldn't throw a flag.

[Rulesman]

This situation applies to both NFHS and NCAA rules (Didn't want to start a whole new thread)

Team A trails 15-10, and has the ball 4th and goal from B7 with 2 seconds on the clock. Team A scores a touchdown and the clock reads zero, the score obviously now 16-15 with Team A as the apparent winner. After the covering official signals a touchdown, both the Team A bench rush the field in celebration, and the home crowd rushes the field to celebrate the victory. Irrespective of whether or not the try is required by rule, Team B wants the penalty enforced and the try attempted. Do we have UNS against the bench AND a UNS against the crowd, with the PAT at the 32, or just one big UNS against Team A in general and the PAT at the 17?

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[Kalle]

Can you actually UNS the crowd, however? They are, fundamentally, not subject to the rules. If they start chanting dirty words or a streaker comes and steals the game ball, you can delay the game to have the offenders removed, but you wouldn't throw a flag.

You can't flag a "simple" 9-2-1 UNS but you can go to 9-2-3-c especially if team A is the home team and the crowds refuse to leave when directed by the officials and the announcer. I wouldn't enforce a yardage penalty but would let the crowd know that unless they leave promptly I will award team B two points and end the game.

If it is the visiting team crowd, then it is the home management problem to clear the field if they want to get a remote shot at winning the game.

[Morningrise]

Agreed. False start on A, no foul by B.

I'm pretty sure that's right, but I posted it because I couldn't find it in the ARs and I can't recall it coming up in a bulletin or quiz that I know of. Live ball fouls never offset dead ball fouls, and the snap caused a false start so there's no live ball. It's just weird that, if this were the other kind of illegal shift, then Team B becomes guilty of wrongdoing, having committed the same conduct as before.

On the kickoff play, both of these are fouls for a fee kick out of bounds. In a, the clock starts on the touching by Team A because it is a legal touch and stops when the ball touches out of bounds. This would trigger a 10 second runoff since it was a foul before a change of team possession that caused the clock to stop and there was less than 1 minute left in the half. The game is over, Team B wins. In situation b, there is no runoff because the clock never started since the Team A player was not in bounds when he touched the kick. The ball is dead immediately upon being picked by Team A. Team B's ball at the A-41, 1st and 10 still with 9 seconds on the clock.

This one I posted because I don't recall if RR has ever said that KOB causes a runoff or not. It could potentially matter if Team A has all three timeouts and the game clock is just right, like 0:20.

Without guidance either way, I know what I'd say if it happened to me tomorrow: get real, Team A gained no advantage by conserving time here, a runoff is clearly not what the spirit of the rule intends.

[BrendanP]

You can't flag a "simple" 9-2-1 UNS but you can go to 9-2-3-c especially if team A is the home team and the crowds refuse to leave when directed by the officials and the announcer. I wouldn't enforce a yardage penalty but would let the crowd know that unless they leave promptly I will award team B two points and end the game.

If it is the visiting team crowd, then it is the home management problem to clear the field if they want to get a remote shot at winning the game.

These are the only two I can think of that did get a penalty against the crowd. The first one, they very nearly ended up costing their team the game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gXlrjK4cHU&t=17m22s

Here's the only one on a visiting team's fans I can find. Michigan's section at Notre Dame Stadium rushes the field thinking it's over, when there's two seconds. They assessed a UNS against Michigan in general, not just a specific act, player, or section of the crowd: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tovpDlSy5A&t=3m2s

[TxSkyBolt]

Guys come on. This thread is getting out of control. So many different play situations and answers that it's difficult to follow. Again, may I suggest a separate thread for any new play situations??

[Rulesman]

And please be SPECIFIC in describing the play in the topic.