NO Bowl - 10-2-5 - live ball PF during touchdown run - then dead ball foul

[ajv]

NO Bowl. 8:15 in 3rd Quarter. 2nd & 9 @ A-37. Hand off to A6. Well after the hand off QB A12 is contacted by B43 (live ball) with PF unnecessary roughness. A6 scores. After the score, dead ball unsportsmanlike conduct against A78. The announcement ended with "Those penalties will offset. The result of the play is a touchdown".

I think by AR 10-2-5-II, the score counts, but then they should give A the option of try or kickoff, then B the option of try or kickoff. They might end up at the standard positions or they might not (the AR uses the words "yardage ... may cancel").

[NVFOA_Ump]

..... they should give A the option of try or kickoff, then B the option of try or kickoff. They might end up at the standard positions or they might not (the AR uses the words "yardage ... may cancel").

They probably did that and I guessing that the announcement should have been that "the penalty yardage cancels".

[Morningrise]

They probably did that and I guessing that the announcement should have been that "the penalty yardage cancels".

Is that right, though? I think this would only be correct if both penalties were enforced on the succeeding kickoff. Because a live-ball foul, even one whose penalty carries over to a try or a kickoff, does not offset a dead-ball foul.

So if both teams opted to enforce their penalties on the try - and I agree with OP that we ask A first, then B - we would first go half the distance from the 3 to the 1.5 for B's PF, then back to the 16.5 for A's UNS.

If both were on the kickoff, there it would be just +15 and -15 and the yardages cancel out.

[NVFOA_Ump]

Is that right, though? I think this would only be correct if both penalties were enforced on the succeeding kickoff. Because a live-ball foul, even one whose penalty carries over to a try or a kickoff, does not offset a dead-ball foul.

That's my point.  The penalties do not "offset", but the penalty yardage can "cancel".

[clearwall]

I would think just announce "offset" since that's what most people will understand. No need to get super technical and confuse the audience for whom you're making the announcement in the first place.

[NVFOA_Ump]

I would think just announce "offset" since that's what most people will understand. No need to get super technical and confuse the audience for whom you're making the announcement in the first place.

I see two issues with that.  The first is that in the weekly NCAA officiating videos it is repeatedly stressed that we need to get the announcement language correct, and more importantly, when we have one or more live ball fouls an announcement that the penalties "offset" would imply that we will be replaying the down.

[clearwall]

But "offset" is technically right. Rogers also mentions not getting too technical with what you're saying.

[Legacy Zebra]

No, offset is not right. The yardage may cancel, but the fouls do not offset. "Each team has elected to enforce their opponent's penalty on the succeeding kickoff, so the yardage will cancel. The result of the play is a touchdown." Done. Simple announcement that everybody understands and has accurate language.

[carrot81]

The B foul is live ball and the A foul is dead ball.  If A chooses to enforce on tryvit would be half the distance to the 1.5 and then if B chooses to enforce on try it would be A try @ 16.5.  If both choose to enforce at the suceeding kickoff then thevyardagecwould cancel.