Damned if you do , damned if you don’t

[TXMike]

Stop for replay and A gets a chance to regroup and get ready for a last play . They score and everyone says should not have stopped so they could regroup . Don’t stop and you get bashed incessantly.  https://www.clarionledger.com/story/sports/college/ole-miss/2019/09/22/college-football-ole-miss-bad-call-cal-ending-controversial-call-espn-sec-network-clay-travis/2410023001/

[zebrastripes]

It should have been reviewed.

That being said, the one camera angle I've seen wouldn't be enough to change the ruling. Can't believe they would only have one angle of that play.

The optics of this are horrible, especially in light of the issues the PAC-12 has had in recent weeks (and years) and the cries for neutral crews on all inter-conference games (and some cries for dissolving conference officiating affiliations altogether).

[TXMike]

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/27682577/pac-12-refs-ruled-correctly-cal-ole-miss-game

[zebrastripes]

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/27682577/pac-12-refs-ruled-correctly-cal-ole-miss-game

Great, that's exactly what I would expect them to say. It still should have been reviewed.

With all the pointless stoppages that take place throughout a normal game, not reviewing a potential game-altering score on the second-to-last play of an 8-point game is incomprehensible.

The fact that the crew was from the conference of the team that won the game is a bad look. We all know perception is king.

[TXMike]

The H had a perfect look at the play and made the right call. He could have “bailed” and ruled TD knowing that would force a review and then they could have made the ruling.  He wasn’t thinking about that or about what conferences or teams were involved in the game.  He made the call. No need to give it up to replay , he knew what needed to be done.  He did not give Team A an unwarranted free timeout.  If we are at the point where IR “has to be involved “ in every play of the game then let’s just declare IR stoppage after every play and give them all the time they need to judge on fouls, spots, etc . 

[ilyazhito]

It looks bad, but the H absolutely made the right call. In the absence of clear and indisputable evidence to the contrary (or even a reasonable suspicion from the replay crew), no reason to stop the game, regardless of time and score.

[TxSkyBolt]

And the S gets an 8!


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[ilyazhito]

What does that mean?

[ElvisLives]

An 8 is the standardized highest grade given by coordinators and their graders for an official for any specific down (which could be judgment, rules application, mechanics, or any combination).  A 6 is a good, typical grade for making a call or doing something we all should be able to make.  A 7 is something a little more difficult.  An eight means something really special, and those are pretty uncommon.  Having said that, I did get one once.  I don't remember why, and, even at the time, I didn't think it was all that special.  But, we take them when we get them and don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

[ilyazhito]

OK. Now I get it. He didn't stop the clock, si no 10-second subtraction. The game ends due to the players' actions, not a replay review.

[CalhounLJ]

The H had a perfect look at the play and made the right call. He could have “bailed” and ruled TD knowing that would force a review and then they could have made the ruling.  He wasn’t thinking about that or about what conferences or teams were involved in the game.  He made the call. No need to give it up to replay , he knew what needed to be done.  He did not give Team A an unwarranted free timeout.  If we are at the point where IR “has to be involved “ in every play of the game then let’s just declare IR stoppage after every play and give them all the time they need to judge on fouls, spots, etc .

I think we are almost to the point when IR will be involved in every play. However, to say this should not have been reviewed is asinine. I agree the S did his job and made the right call, but I only came to that conclusion after watching the video several times. You can bet if it had been ruled a td it would have been reviewed. Also, if it had been a big-name team or a game with national implications it would have been reviewed. The problem I have with the process is the pick and choose nature. To be fair IR should be applied consistently across all classes irrelevant of the “importance” of the game or teams involved.


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[TXMike]

It would have been reviewed by rule if he had ruled TD.  That is why I pointed out I thought he made a great gutsy call and ruled on it himself without bailing out and letting replay review.   I know the "nature of the game" was changed a lot by IR but some things are still , in my mind, worth preserving.  And partt of that is the timing nature of the game.  If you allow yourself to be in a position at the end of teh game where time is that critical then you should not get rewarded by free extra time.  Which they would have had had it been stopped for review.

[CalhounLJ]

It would have been reviewed by rule if he had ruled TD.  That is why I pointed out I thought he made a great gutsy call and ruled on it himself without bailing out and letting replay review.   I know the "nature of the game" was changed a lot by IR but some things are still , in my mind, worth preserving.  And partt of that is the timing nature of the game.  If you allow yourself to be in a position at the end of teh game where time is that critical then you should not get rewarded by free extra time.  Which they would have had had it been stopped for review.

To which I reply “it happens all the time.” 


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[TXMike]

Doesn’t make it right if it does but honestly , it does not happen that often in a critical
Time situation.  I would love to see stats on how many times a flank rules short of GL but IR overturns to TD.  Anecdotally, I don’t think I have seen it often.  And as it turned out here , the flank was right so Team A did not get the unfair timing advantage

[TxSkyBolt]

Doesn’t make it right if it does but honestly , it does not happen that often in a critical
Time situation.  I would love to see stats on how many times a flank rules short of GL but IR overturns to TD.  Anecdotally, I don’t think I have seen it often.  And as it turned out here , the flank was right so Team A did not get the unfair timing advantage

The S gets the 8 for getting the ball down for the next play. The H made the short call


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[Joe Stack]

This is on the Ole Miss receiver. There's not a defender within 2 yards of him. He just goes down with very little effort. All he has to do is TURN AROUND and he scores. Maybe he thought someone was on him or maybe he lost his balance but either way, its on him.

Then the lack of effort on the 4th down play is just remarkable.

[InsideTheStripes]

And the S gets an 8!

Agreed. Great concentration and game awareness in a big moment.