Clarity on a question.

[juxone]

I encountered a question that is a True or False. The question  "The penalty for the illegal touching of a forward pass by an inelegibale receiver is enforced from the spot of the touching in EACH CASE (my emphasis) and includes a loss of down. " 

I have no problem with the loss of down part but.. here is my question about the "question" :
So the basic spot would be where the ball was snapped from... this would be foul by the offense and it COULD happen on, behind or forward of the line.. so if it is a foul by the offense and it happened 10 yards forward then the foul would be FROM the line of scrimmage, if the foul happened BEHIND the line then the spot would be WHERE it was touched.... is this not correct? Because the statement "enforced from the spot of the touching in EACH CASE" This is a loose ball play.  Rule 7-5-13  ??

[HLinNC]

No, it is not about where the ball was snapped from though it seem so.  It is about where the foul occurred and the type play that it was.  The basic spot is based on running play vs. loose ball play and the All But One principle.  Illegal touching would be enforced from the spot of the foul if the touching occurs behind the basic spot (snap) based on ABO or previous spot if the touching occurs at or beyond the previous spot. 

I have a mentor who is a retired educator and has officiated at the highest D1 level of CFB.  He has harped for years that the NFHS exam is a "reading test" more than a test of knowledge.  It appears whoever is writing these quizzes or exams you are working on has the same problem.

You have discovered that there is a flaw in the question.  You need to adjust your premise of the enforcement spot and direct your commentary to the author so they can issue a correction.  This will make everyone a little bit better.

[juxone]

  Couple parts then if I may. In trying to answer the question from the rules and in table 7-5 -4 the enforcement is the basic spot.
 While it does not say so, it is assumed this was a loose ball and as you said, is about where the foul occurred and the type of play and again as you point out -- " Illegal touching would be enforced from the spot of the foul if the touching occurs behind the basic spot (snap) based on ABO or previous spot if the touching occurs at or beyond the previous spot"  such a case would this question would have to be "False" since there is only the option of True, False. ??



Yep in this case the author is a retired educator and has officiated at the highests and is the  --and I am not trying to argue within him about the question --rather that as you said it is flawed. And accordingly I am adjusting my own premise.

[HLinNC]

Then yes, it would be false.

[CalhounLJ]

How can the basic spot for an illegal touching of a legal forward  pass foul be anything other than previous spot? Certainly spot of enforcement can be spot of touch if behind the basic spot, but illegal touching of a legal,forward pass is always loose ball with basic previous spot enforcement.. no?

[HLinNC]

but illegal touching of a legal,forward pass is always loose ball with basic previous spot enforcement.. no

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Apparently whoever writes his group's test or quizzes is unaware or is really trying to be tricky.

[juxone]

I am not wanting to be disrecptful but I think tricky may be the operative word here. And to be candid there have been number of questions that I was pretty confident about the rules but the wording made me go to the rule book several times. 

[HLinNC]

the wording made me go to the rule book several times

Sort of the plan, usually.

[CalhounLJ]

Sort of the plan, usually.

Exactly. If it makes you dig deeper, count it a blessing and move on.


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[juxone]

Exactly. If it makes you dig deeper, count it a blessing and move on.


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Absolutely agree. Occasionaly I find my self scratching my head and thinking..(after cautions of NOT reading into the questions) exactly what is the question asking, as it seems counter intuitive to my understanding of the rule. So in the end I guess it is effective. Thanks for the input.