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Offline PABJNR

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Re: Clock question
« Reply #50 on: November 13, 2020, 11:54:38 AM »
It has improved quality because from week to week the play clock is consistent. Some R’s chopped in faster and some took forever.  Much more consistency. Also late in a game don’t have to worry did I chop it in too quick or did I wait too long it’s 40 seconds.  I can even sure enjoyment in the fact that my ears no longer ring following a game I Was referee because I had to blow my whistle to chop in every flipping play.  Have not even had an offensive team try to snap the ball before u is in position.

In my opinion this was one of the best or the best rule implemented since I began my officiating career.

I don’t understand why some people do not want to emulate college where possible.  There are certain rules which I feel belong more in high school because of skill set such as BBW, but we can learn a lot from NCAA officials, who are usually willing to provide insight on mechanics and philosophy, which can be applied to the high school level and improve the game.


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Re: Clock question
« Reply #51 on: November 13, 2020, 01:38:49 PM »
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I don’t understand why some people do not want to emulate college where possible.

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Re: Clock question
« Reply #52 on: November 13, 2020, 02:04:48 PM »
Just wondering, now that we've had a couple of years to experience the "40 second play clock" (at the NFHS level) has it's addition really been worth all the confusion, argument, discussion and COST, it was promised to eliminate?

Memory suggests the objective was to create some magical consistency, that might well have been attained by simply restating and encouraging elimination of some bad habits that had crept into "some" field official's management & control over certain dead ball situations that were occasionally allowed to fester. 

Were all the changes, rules, situations and management of "dead ball time" taken out of the hand's and responsibility of an effective Referee, really worth all all this ongoing effort, or has it proven to be just another, "Much ado about nothing"?

I was initially opposed to the rule, but having used it, I must saying it makes clock management much easier. I can't think of any problems that we have had.

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Re: Clock question
« Reply #53 on: November 13, 2020, 03:41:13 PM »
In my opinion this was one of the best or the best rule implemented since I began my officiating career.

I don’t understand why some people do not want to emulate college where possible.  There are certain rules which I feel belong more in high school because of skill set such as BBW, but we can learn a lot from NCAA officials, who are usually willing to provide insight on mechanics and philosophy, which can be applied to the high school level and improve the game.
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Really, "one of the best rule implementations since....."  I guess if you're accustomed to working with ineffective Referees, there might be a noticeable difference in game clock timing, although one might hope ineffective and/or sloppy game clock management was the exception, rather than the rule.  I always  thought consistently declaring the ball RFP, by a consistent whistle, by the same person was a pretty visible and specific manner of everyone getting the same message at the same exact time.

Having the same adult, assess each pause between plays and visibly/audibly declaring the instant time restarts seemed pretty consistent relating to the actual game being played.  If some Referees were somewhat too slow, or too fast it would seem a minimum of additional training or discussion could eliminate most, if not all problems.  Lingering bad habits, like long winded clinics after each score, or change of possession, delay between quarters, prolonged disputes were pretty easily corrected by a crisp (consistent) whistle.

Maybe bad habits and gamesmanship were more of a problem at "higher levels" (much like trash talking and endless posturing and theatrics becoming ever more common at "higher levels")  NFHS rules and execution of them have seemed to be somewhat more  effective in controlling inappropriate behaviors ( that far too often create additional problems).

There shouldn't be reluctance to emulate "higher level' practices that provide mechanics and philosophy, when they fit and make sense for the NFHS level rules, objectives & realities of NFHS games, but "One size never has, nor likely EVER WILL (effectively) fit all", and for good and practical reason.  Some really great ideas and mechanics work a lot better with 7 or 8 man crews than they ever will for 4, 5 or 6 man assignments.  It would be wonderful to expand to 7 or 8 man crews for all NFHS contests, but where would we find all those additional game officials?

Over the last century, a whole lot of Referees somehow learned to deal with the added stress and ringing ears from repeated audible declaration of individually announcing RFP, for all to see and hear together.   Maybe some of the inherent differences between teenagers and young men still dictate individual considerations. 
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Re: Clock question
« Reply #54 on: November 13, 2020, 08:25:41 PM »
Well since we are going to get childish, why do you have too be such a tool?


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Re: Clock question
« Reply #55 on: November 13, 2020, 08:41:09 PM »
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why do you have too be such a tool?

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Re: Clock question
« Reply #56 on: November 14, 2020, 06:35:53 AM »

“There shouldn't be reluctance to emulate "higher level' practices that provide mechanics and philosophy, when they fit and make sense for the NFHS level rules, objectives & realities of NFHS games“

Well there ya go.

It seems like we all agree with this. Which is exactly what the :40 did.

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Re: Clock question
« Reply #57 on: November 14, 2020, 08:18:58 AM »
“There shouldn't be reluctance to emulate "higher level' practices that provide mechanics and philosophy, when they fit and make sense for the NFHS level rules, objectives & realities of NFHS games“

Well there ya go.

It seems like we all agree with this. Which is exactly what the :40 did.

I'm just not convinced, "WE ALL AGREE" that adopting the 40 second play clock either, "fits, makes sense, justifies the cost, is necessary or the most effective way to practically eliminate sporadic timing problems"  for the NFHS environment across the board.

A nuclear bomb is likely an effective way to clear an area of accumulating trash, but there are other means to accomplish the objective with far fewer side effects.
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Re: Clock question
« Reply #58 on: November 14, 2020, 08:49:50 AM »
Al:
If the rules had been written originally with a 40/25 clock, would you be ardently advocating for a 25-only clock?  If so, why?

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Re: Clock question
« Reply #59 on: November 15, 2020, 07:56:21 AM »
Al:
If the rules had been written originally with a 40/25 clock, would you be ardently advocating for a 25-only clock?  If so, why?

"Change" only for the sake of change, is as dumb a mistake as is "Resisting change", only for the sake of resisting.  What may work well in one environment, doesn't automatically fit "different" environments as well.

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Re: Clock question
« Reply #60 on: November 15, 2020, 09:49:02 AM »
So the answer is ...........

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Re: Clock question
« Reply #61 on: November 15, 2020, 08:37:05 PM »
So the answer is ...........

It's rarely a good idea, to try and answer "loaded" or irrational questions.