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Offline KDJBBBJ

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Re: So many things wrong here
« Reply #50 on: October 21, 2022, 05:50:20 PM »
But by definition first touching occurs after the ball has crossed the expanded neutral zone.  Both 2-12-2 and 6-2-5 tell us this.  But 6-2-3 says "while it is in or behind the neutral zone" k may catch or recover and advance. Nothing about expanded  Does this mean the expanded neutral zone is no mans land? K can touch or recover the ball but not advance, but it is not first touching? 

Offline ncwingman

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Re: So many things wrong here
« Reply #51 on: October 24, 2022, 11:53:27 AM »
Before we even start to talk about this, we should remember: this all happened on 2nd down with about a yard and a half to go! 

It was close, but I see the ball was beyond the Neutral Zone when it was picked up by K after rolling between the LOS and the line to gain; so K could not advance it - and the play should have been blown dead when he possessed it. The K player simply advanced a dead ball.

SO, ASSUMMING TIME COULD STILL BE ON THE CLOCK, WHOSE BALL IS IT (OR SHOULD IT BE)? K's ball 4th down and a half yard to go; or R's ball at the dead ball spot???????

Forgive me for snipping a lot of that text -- but assuming there was time remaining, R is awarded the ball at the spot of first touching, 1st and 10. The fact that K attempted the kick on 2nd down and not 4th has no bearing.

If K had recovered behind the LOS and not made the line to gain, it would be 3rd down for K.

For ultra fun fun goodie pot stirring time, did K still have at least 4 players numbered 50-79 on the line of scrimmage during that play? I actually think they do (#50, #52, #54 and #56 with long snapper #31 in under the exception). However, who just realized they should have thought of that because it was 2nd down?


Offline animalspooker

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Re: So many things wrong here
« Reply #52 on: November 21, 2022, 02:51:20 PM »
ncwingman?  If they kicked a FG to win with no time on the clock and you flagged them for illegal formation (not 4 good numbers), because it was 2nd down....well lets just say your posting days on REFSTIPES would be over!

Offline PABJNR

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Re: So many things wrong here
« Reply #53 on: November 21, 2022, 03:38:48 PM »
Not over as quick than if the team who lost complained to a commissioner that he lost a game because his opponent was in an illegal formation on the game winning scoring play.


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