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Online NVFOA_Ump

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Sport With the Most Complicated Rule Set
« on: July 31, 2024, 05:12:28 PM »
Was having a discussion over a few beers following this year's new candidate training class and several of the new candidates who do multiple sports commented that this (football) is the most complex set of rules of any of the sports that they officiate.  In my 26 years of officiating, I've only worked football. I'm interested in what other officials who work football think about the complexity of the rules in relation to other sports that they do.  Also, they noted that football at our level (youth & HS) is one of very few sports that is not effectively played year-round, giving us a short season to get into the flow.  What's your opinions?
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Re: Sport With the Most Complicated Rule Set
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2024, 07:59:50 PM »
I don't know for sure but baseball sounds pretty complicated ---  ball or strike, fair or foul, safe or out.

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Re: Sport With the Most Complicated Rule Set
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2024, 08:21:10 PM »
Of the five major American sports (soccer, basketball, football, soccer, hockey) I would say football has the most complex ruleset as a whole. The combination of legal actions vs illegal actions plus various penalties and enforcement options makes it complex.

The good news is that because it isn’t free flowing like soccer, basketball, or hockey it is actually relatively “simple” to officiate in practice.

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Re: Sport With the Most Complicated Rule Set
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2024, 07:03:03 AM »
I don't know for sure but baseball sounds pretty complicated ---  ball or strike, fair or foul, safe or out.

Baseball’s not that tough — it’s basically a one-on-one sport that can be officiated by a two-man crew.  You don’t have to worry about fouls away from the ball, and there’s no clock to malfunction.

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Re: Sport With the Most Complicated Rule Set
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2024, 07:41:05 AM »
Baseball uses 10% of the rules 90% of the time. It is the other 10% of the time that the can of worms opens (balks, interference, obstruction, pitch clock violations (NCAA and OBR)).

Football always has the potential for something weird on every play (offside/encroachment, false starts, delay of game by either team before the play), illegal substitution before the play or as the play is starting, fouls during the play, and dead ball fouls.

For those officials who work games played by NCAA rules, 10-second subtractions are another potential occurrence at the end of the half. Timing rules will also vary depending on whether you are in the last 2 minutes of each half.

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Re: Sport With the Most Complicated Rule Set
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2024, 08:29:04 AM »
Football is at least (mostly) consistent/formulaic with how things are done.  Penalty enforcement is like math problems.  You follow the formula (all but one) and you get the result.  (Slightly different now).

Baseball rules are very inconsistent depending on the situation.  Then, they don't like to cover everything.  Then more importantly, baseball rules makers and umpires are incredibly stubborn.  When something is wrong in the rule or there is a terrible mechanic, they not only don't change it but will defend the bad rule/mechanic to the death.  See how umpires enforce catcher's interference when the coach wants to take the result of the play in MLB/NCAA.  They also refuse to add hand signals.  So unless you're close enough to hear the umpire yell, you have no idea what he calls.  Imagine working a football game with only a point and yell mechanic and no signals.  It's funny to listen to the utter confusion in baseball broadcasts when something odd happens.

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Re: Sport With the Most Complicated Rule Set
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2024, 10:26:41 AM »
Having worked FBS football for a respectable amount of time (14 seasons), and Texas HS football (under NCAA rules, with a bucket of ‘exceptions’) for 48 seasons (so far), as well as minor league (American Association) professional baseball, NCAA baseball, ASA softball (fast and slow pitch), NFHS baseball and basketball (Texas uses NFHS for everything but football), and even dabbled in soccer briefly, I can tell you that American football is by far - by far - the most complex set of RULES in existence. Over the 52 years that I have been involved with football officiating, the NCAA Rules Book and Interpretation Book have grown from being about 1/4” thick (combined) to 9/16” thick, i.e., more than twice as much rule info as in 1972. And that is not to mention the directions provided by four different Sec-Eds that have developed the rule language (to suit the wishes of the Rules Committee) over that same period of time, via ‘bulletins.’ Most of the bulletin items have been turned into rule langauge, but not all; yet, they still survive, and we are expected to know them.

By comparison, baseball rules are quite simple. Yes, the complicating factors in baseball are associated with physical contact between players, and when non-players become involved in the action. The former requires getting a good look at the action, and using good judgment, but the rules themselves are fairly simple. As far as spectator interference, all but the lowliest of playing fields can be configured to keep spectators far enough back from the fences to eliminate interaction with the ball over the field of play - even for some distance (at least an arm’s length) back from the fence. Something baseball at all levels should require.

Let’s talk about NCAA blocking below the waist. Could there be a more complicated RULE? Nothing like it in baseball. Nothing like it in basketball. How about offensive formations? Shifts? False Starts? Defensive movements to cause a false start? Substitution? 10-second subtractions? Starting the clock on the snap or the referee’s signal? 40 second play clock or 25 second play clock? On and on and on. (I haven’t even mentioned penalty enforcement.)
Oh, have you heard about the NFL’s new kickoff rules? And how they will officiate it, mechanically? Whooo dogggy. And then, if they choose to onside kick, it goes back to current rules and mechanics. (Yes, they have to declare when they will attempt an onside kick.) So, the officials have to remember the “old way,” and the “new way.” What a zoo. That’s like, in baseball, if the batter could only bunt if he declared that before his at-bat began. Talk about changing the game, and increasing the complexity…

Baseball has changed so, so very little in 100 years. OK, the DH. Now the pitch clock (to satisfy TV - don’t get me started). And now replay. (And, sadly, soon, fully electronic ball/strike calling -  starting in MLB, but you can be sure it will get to HS, in time.) But, the basics of the game have remained. Hit the ball. Run the bases. Catch the ball. Throw/pitch the ball.

Instant replay has changed everything. And now that gambling has become embedded in professional AND amateur sports, the scrutiny of officiating decisions has moved from whether the ruling was correct or incorrect, to whether it affected the preferred outcome of the game. (Deny it all you want, but that is what is happening.)

But, I will throw this out there. Until I had a long conversation with a highly experienced golfer and golf coach, I had no idea that golf rules were as complicated as they are. They are so course-dependent, it is mind boggling. Still not as complicated as American football, but ‘second’ on my list.

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Re: Sport With the Most Complicated Rule Set
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2024, 03:16:50 PM »
I only officiate baseball and football so I can only compare those. IMHO, 90% of baseball calls are BALL/STRIKE. FAIR/FOUL, OUT?SAFE.
At least 50% of football rules knowledge . I honestly feel you could pull a guy with the game knowledge of baseball out of the standsases and have him work the bases. In football, that would never be considered.

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