WAKE UP! Plays of the day

[ElvisLives]

Here are some good ‘reminder’ questions, i.e., reminding us of some finer points of rules, and reminding us to read and understand the questions thoroughly.
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1. 1/10, B-40, 6:00 (1), snap, A=7, B=0.
    A88 catches a legal forward pass at the B-38, and advances to the B-36, where he is contacted forcefully by B99, causing A88 to fumble the ball. The ball is recovered by A77 at the B-42. Before the pass was released, the U dropped a foul marker for a hands-to-the-face foul by B66.
    Ruling:

2. 4/5, B-30, 4:30 (3), running, 12(40), A=10, B=21. A’s field goal attempt is blocked and falls to the ground at the B-31, and bounds toward the sideline. Attempting to recover the ball at the B-32, B96 muffs the ball. Then A75 muffs his recovery attempt at the B-28, and A-88 recovers the ball while ‘grounded’ at the B-26.
    Ruling:

3. 3/5, A-30, 1:45 (2), snap, A=14, B=12. To prevent B99 from intercepting the ball, which is in flight and untouched from a legal forward pass, A77 bats the ball at the A-29, which lands at the A-32.
    Ruling:

4. 4/10, A-30, 10:00 (3), running, A=21, B=21. At the snap, Team A has 5 players in the backfield. B88 muffs Team A’s legal punt at the B-30, then recovers the ball at the B-35, while upright, and advances to the 50, where he is tackled with the ball becoming dead there. While the ball was loose after B88’s muff, B66 held A99 at the B-45.
    Ruling:

[ElvisLives]

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller…?

[TxJim]

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller…?

I deferred to give perhaps some noobs a chance.
They are good questions.

[dammitbobby]

1. 1/10, B-40, 6:00 (1), snap, A=7, B=0.
    A88 catches a legal forward pass at the B-38, and advances to the B-36, where he is contacted forcefully by B99, causing A88 to fumble the ball. The ball is recovered by A77 at the B-42. Before the pass was released, the U dropped a foul marker for a hands-to-the-face foul by B66.
    Ruling:

B live ball foul, pre-pass
Result of the play is a fumble, recovered by A, at the B-42. The foul by B will be accepted and enforced from the previous spot (B-40), resulting in A 1/10 @A-25, PC 25, ready.


2. 4/5, B-30, 4:30 (3), running, 12(40), A=10, B=21. A’s field goal attempt is blocked and falls to the ground at the B-31, and bounds toward the sideline. Attempting to recover the ball at the B-32, B96 muffs the ball. Then A75 muffs his recovery attempt at the B-28, and A-88 recovers the ball while ‘grounded’ at the B-26.
    Ruling:

No fouls
The result of the play is a blocked field goal, recovered by A at the B-26. All related action is behind the LOS, so B’s touching is legal, and does not impact A’s obligation to reach the B-25 to retain possession with a new set of downs. Since A did not do so, turnover on downs, B 1/10 @B-32, PC 25, snap.


3. 3/5, A-30, 1:45 (2), snap, A=14, B=12. To prevent B99 from intercepting the ball, which is in flight and untouched from a legal forward pass, A77 bats the ball at the A-29, which lands at the A-32.
    Ruling:

2 fouls by A - illegal batting and illegal touching
The result of the play is an incomplete forward pass. A77 commits two fouls – illegal touching, and illegal batting. Both are 10 yard fouls, but the illegal touching also comes with loss of down from the previous spot, so A 4/10 @A-25, PC 25, snap.


4. 4/10, A-30, 10:00 (3), running, A=21, B=21. At the snap, Team A has 5 players in the backfield. B88 muffs Team A’s legal punt at the B-30, then recovers the ball at the B-35, while upright, and advances to the 50, where he is tackled with the ball becoming dead there. While the ball was loose after B88’s muff, B66 held A99 at the B-45.
    Ruling:

A has ILF, B has DH during the kick
The result of the play is a scrimmage kick returned by A to the B-50. This normally qualifies for PSK enforcement as the kick was not a try, field goal, or in extra periods, the ball crossed the NZ, the foul occurred during the kick (since the muff of the kick did not change its status), and B will put the ball next in play. Team B will decline A’s foul (which would require a rekick), and Team A will accept B’s foul, which will  be enforced 10 yards from the spot of the foul.
B 1/10 @B-35, PC 25, snap.


I'm super rusty, seeing this this morning was a good reminder I have a ton a ton of training videos I need to get caught up on.

[TxJim]

1. 1/10, B-40, 6:00 (1), snap, A=7, B=0.
    A88 catches a legal forward pass at the B-38, and advances to the B-36, where he is contacted forcefully by B99, causing A88 to fumble the ball. The ball is recovered by A77 at the B-42. Before the pass was released, the U dropped a foul marker for a hands-to-the-face foul by B66.
    Ruling:

B live ball foul, pre-pass
Result of the play is a fumble, recovered by A, at the B-42. The foul by B will be accepted and enforced from the previous spot (B-40), resulting in A 1/10 @A-25, PC 25, ready.

Pass play? Was end of the last run beyond the NZ? No COP? B foul? 10-2-2-e?

[dammitbobby]

Pass play? Was end of the last run beyond the NZ? No COP? B foul? 10-2-2-e?

Pass Play? Yes
Was end of the last run beyond the NZ? Yes
No COP? Correct - 'The ball is recovered by A77 at the B-42'
B foul? Yes - illegal hands to the face by B66.
10-2-2-e? Yep, all requirements met, I just completely forgot this (For Team B fouls during a legal forward pass play: Penalty enforcement for Team B personal fouls and unsportsmanlike conduct is at the end of the
last run when it ends beyond the neutral zone and there is no change of team possession during the down.)

Correct enforcement is from the end of the run (B-36), so A 1/10 @B-21, PC 25, ready.

[ElvisLives]

Pass Play? Yes
Was end of the last run beyond the NZ? Yes
No COP? Correct - 'The ball is recovered by A77 at the B-42'
B foul? Yes - illegal hands to the face by B66.
10-2-2-e? Yep, all requirements met, I just completely forgot this (For Team B fouls during a legal forward pass play: Penalty enforcement for Team B personal fouls and unsportsmanlike conduct is at the end of the
last run when it ends beyond the neutral zone and there is no change of team possession during the down.)

Correct enforcement is from the end of the run (B-36), so A 1/10 @B-21, PC 25, ready.

Where did the LAST running play end?

[ElvisLives]

I believe my math is all correct.
There are nuances we have to know, like WHO may bat a pass; what qualifies as a running play; when has a scrimmage kick crossed the NZ, etc. And, we have to read questions VERY carefully to know where fouls occur, where touches occur, where runs end, etc.
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1.   1/10, B-40, 6:00 (1), snap, A=7, B=0. A88 catches a legal forward pass at the B-38, and advances to the B-36, where he is contacted forcefully by B99, causing A88 to fumble the ball. The ball is recovered by ‘grounded’ A77 at the B-42. Before the pass was released, the U dropped a foul marker for a Hands-to-the-Face foul by B66.
Ruling: A, 1/10, B-25, ready (25).
The recovery of the fumbled ball by ‘grounded’ A77 constitutes the last running play of the down. However, that last running play ended behind the neutral zone. Since the last run ended behind the neutral zone, the 15-yard penalty for B66’s foul is enforced from the Previous Spot, taking the ball to the B-25, where Team A is awarded a new scrimmage series.

2.   4/5, B-30, 4:30 (3), running, 12(40), A=10, B=21. A’s field goal attempt is blocked at the neutral zone and falls to the ground at the B-31, and bounds toward the sideline. Attempting to recover the ball at the B-32, B96 muffs the ball. Then A75 muffs his recovery attempt at the B-28, and A88 recovers the ball while ‘grounded’ at the B-26.
Ruling: B, 1/10, B-30, snap (25).
The blocking of the kick is ignored, since it occurred within 3-yards of the neutral zone. When B96 muffed the ball at the B-32, it was behind the neutral zone, and had not crossed the neutral zone, and, thus, is inconsequential. The ball was beyond the neutral zone when A75 subsequently muffed the ball, which was an Illegal Touching violation. A81’s ‘grounded’ recovery of the ball at the B-26 was also an Illegal Touching violation. However, the natural result of the down is an unsuccessful field goal attempt that is dead beyond the neutral zone, and untouched by Team B beyond the NZ. By rule, Team B is awarded a scrimmage series at the previous spot. Team B will refuse the illegal touching privileges, and put the ball in play at the Previous Spot, B-30, for a scrimmage series.

3.   3/5, A-30, 1:45 (2), snap, A=14, B=12. A12’s forward pass, intended for eligible A88 at the A-27, is overthrown toward B99. To prevent B99 from intercepting the untouched ball, A77 bats the ball at the A-29, which lands on the ground at the A-32, at 1:39 (2).
Ruling: A, 4/16, A-19, snap (25).
A77’s batting of the ball is, both, a foul for Illegal Touching (by an originally ineligible player), and Illegal Batting, since, by rule, only eligible players are allowed to bat a forward pass. The penalty for the Illegal Touching foul is 5-yards from the Previous Spot, with loss of down. The penalty for the Illegal Batting foul is 10-yards, with loss of down, and is enforced per 3 & 1 from the Basic Spot. Since that foul occurred during a legal forward pass play, the Basic Spot is the Previous Spot. The Spot of the Foul is behind the Basic Spot; thus, the penalty for the Illegal Batting foul is enforced from the Spot of the Foul (A-29) taking the ball to the A-19, with the down advancing to 4th. Because the game clock was stopped by the incomplete pass, it will next start on the snap. Due to the penalty completion, the play clock is set to 25-seconds, and will start on the referee’s signal.
 
4.   4/10, A-30, 10:00 (3), running, A=21, B=21. At the snap, Team A has 5 players in the backfield. B88 muffs Team A’s legal punt at the B-30, then recovers the ball at the B-35, while upright, and advances to the 50, where he is tackled with the ball becoming dead there, at 9:40 (3). While the ball was loose after B88’s muff, B66 held A99 at the B-45.
Ruling: A, 4/10, A-30, 9:40 (3), snap (25), OR, B, 1/10, B-25, 9:40 (3), snap (25).
The natural result of the down is B’s ball at the 50. However, there were live-ball fouls by both teams. Team B may elect true offsetting fouls, and the down would be repeated at the Previous Spot. However, B66’s Holding foul occurred during the kick play portion of the down, and Team B is in legal possession of the ball at the end of the down; thus, that foul qualifies for Post-Scrimmage Kick (PSK) enforcement. A PSK foul is considered to have occurred after the change of team possession, and, thus, also qualifies for “clean hands” enforcement. Team B may choose to refuse offsetting fouls, and decline the penalty for Team A’s Illegal Formation foul, and thus, retain possession of the ball. Team A will, then, have the option to accept (or decline) the penalty for Team B’s Holding foul (which they will, obviously, accept). The Basic Spot for B66’s holding foul (per PSK) is the End of the Kick (B-35), and the spot of the foul is beyond the Basic Spot; thus, the 10-yard penalty is enforced from Basic Spot, taking the ball to the B-25, where Team B will next put the ball in play for a scrimmage series. Due to the legal kick down, the play clock is set to 25-seconds and will start on the referee’s signal. Also due to the legal kick down, the game clock will next start on the snap.

[Morningrise]

3.   3/5, A-30, 1:45 (2), snap, A=14, B=12. A12’s forward pass, intended for eligible A88 at the A-27, is overthrown toward B99. To prevent B99 from intercepting the untouched ball, A77 bats the ball at the A-29, which lands on the ground at the A-32, at 1:39 (2).
Ruling: A, 4/16, A-19, snap (25).
A77’s batting of the ball is, both, a foul for Illegal Touching (by an originally ineligible player), and Illegal Batting, since, by rule, only eligible players are allowed to bat a forward pass. The penalty for the Illegal Touching foul is 5-yards from the Previous Spot, with loss of down. The penalty for the Illegal Batting foul is 10-yards, with loss of down, and is enforced per 3 & 1 from the Basic Spot. Since that foul occurred during a legal forward pass play, the Basic Spot is the Previous Spot. The Spot of the Foul is behind the Basic Spot; thus, the penalty for the Illegal Batting foul is enforced from the Spot of the Foul (A-29) taking the ball to the A-19, with the down advancing to 4th. Because the game clock was stopped by the incomplete pass, it will next start on the snap. Due to the penalty completion, the play clock is set to 25-seconds, and will start on the referee’s signal.

Worthy of note: The illegal batting enforcement "feels" like an exception to "basic" enforcement, because most fouls we see are "fouls against an opponent" like holding, personal fouls, etc., and for those, the enforcement spot is never in the offensive backfield, even when the flag is there. But illegal batting is a "foul against the ball" and so it actually uses "pure" 3&1 enforcement, whereby if the flag is behind the basic spot, then that's where we march it off from, even if that's in the backfield.

[dammitbobby]

Good Lord I butchered these.  Yikes.

[ElvisLives]

Note for TASO (Texas/UIL) football officials: None of the UIL’s Exceptions affect these rulings. They fully apply to UIL football.