Illegal Forward Pass

[Dr.G]

The QB  rolls out under pressure and begins to run. During his run he crosses the LOS by 2 yards then reverses field back to behind the LOS where he throws a pass from 2 yards behind the LOS. I know a foul occurs when the pass is thrown. The rule book states that the enforcement spot is the spot of the foul. The penalty is 5 yards and loss of down. Are there any interpretations that would make this enforcement spot the previous spot if the foul occurs behind the LOS?

[JasonTX]

If the foul occurs in their own end zone and the pass is incomplete, team B can decline the penalty and the next snap will be from the previous spot.  There isn't any way to enforce the penalty from the previous spot unless that spot is also the spot of the foul.

[Kalle]

Only fouls against an opponent by the offense behind the previous spot are penalized from the previous spot. Illegal forward pass isn't one of these.

[TxGrayhat]

So in this case the enforcemnet is from where the qb released the pass behind the los. ??

Good topic by the way.

[NVFOA_Ump]

Here's the rule:

7.3.2.e. If thrown from in or behind the neutral zone after a ball carrier in possession of the ball has gone beyond the neutral zone [S35 and S9].
PENALTY—Five yards from the spot of the foul; also loss of down if by Team A before team possession changes during a scrimmage down (A.R. 3-4-3-IV and A.R. 7-3-2-II) [S35 and S9].

I don't believe that there are any AR's or exceptions that change this from being a spot foul.

[JasonTX]

3rd and 10 from the A-40.  A10 throw an illegal forward pass from the A-30.  Team B (for whatever reason) elects to decline the penalty.  Ruling:  The penalty is declined and the ball will belong to Team A at the spot of the pass.  4th and 20 from the A-30.

[zapp]

3rd and 10 from the A-40.  A10 throw an illegal forward pass from the A-30.  Team B (for whatever reason) elects to decline the penalty.  Ruling:  The penalty is declined and the ball will belong to Team A at the spot of the pass.  4th and 20 from the A-30.

Source?!?

Won't believe this. If the penalty is declined, there's nothing but an incomplete pass. Next down at the previous spot.

Rule of thumb is: every team A foul that has an (direct) impact on the position of the ball is a spot foul. Illegal kicking/batting, illegal forward pass, helping the runner (ok, here the impact is in-direct).
Exception might be the illegal forward pass from the EZ.

[Birddog]

Jason is correct, may sound strange but it's true.  7-3-7-c

[JasonTX]

Source?!?

Won't believe this. If the penalty is declined, there's nothing but an incomplete pass. Next down at the previous spot.

Rule of thumb is: every team A foul that has an (direct) impact on the position of the ball is a spot foul. Illegal kicking/batting, illegal forward pass, helping the runner (ok, here the impact is in-direct).
Exception might be the illegal forward pass from the EZ.

7-3-7-c:  When an illegal forward pass is incomplete, the ball belongs to the passing
team at the spot of the pass (Exception: If the offended team declines the
penalty for an illegal pass thrown from the end zone, the ball shall next be
put in play at the previous spot.)

[Kalle]

7-3-7-c:  When an illegal forward pass is incomplete, the ball belongs to the passing
team at the spot of the pass

And don't get confused by the fact that even though the penalty is declined, the pass was still illegal, and 7-3-7-c applies.

[Atlanta Blue]

Won't believe this. If the penalty is declined, there's nothing but an incomplete pass.

No, and here's the reasoning.  Up to the point of the Illegal Pass, it was a legal run.  The offense gets the benefit (or the detriment) of the legal run.

Go the other way.  LOS is B's 40.  A7 runs to the B35, and throws an Illegal Forward Pass.  For some reason, B declines the penalty.  Where is the next spot?  You don't go back to the 40, it's the B35.

Everything up to the point of an Illegal Pass is a legal run.

[zapp]

Ok, I'm convinced 

Would have done this one totally wrong - but only in case Team B would have declined the penalty 
And I believe (hope) they'd never do 

[Diablo]

Another quirk.

Third and 10 from the A-30.  QB, A10, is flushed out of the pocket.  After much scrambling, A10 throws a forward pass from the A-35.  A34 catches the pass and runs out of bounds at the A-45.  While A10 was scrambling, wideout, A88, blocks B56 below the waist and towards the position of the ball at the snap at the A-33.
Options?

[Hawkeye]

Two fouls on the play:

1. Illegal Fwd pass at the A-35, enforcement is 5 yards from the spot of the foul (plus a loss of down).

2. Illegal Block below the waist at the A-33.  Enforcement is basic spot (3 and 1).  The basic spot is the end of A-10's run which is the spot if the illegal pass, which is the A-35.  The foul is behind the basic spot by the team in possession so enforcement is 15 yards from the spot of the foul and repeat the down.

Options
1. A 4/10 A-30
2. A 3/22 A-18

References: 9-1-2-e-1, 7-3-2-a, 2-25-8-d, 10-2-2-d-1-b, 10-2-2-c-1